In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes
In article . 145,
(Tristán White) wrote:

(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote in
:

In article . 145,
(Tristán White) wrote:

I think the Plaistow/Playstow has now been ironed out

Did you mean Plarstow/Playstow?

Well yes I did, but Plarstow is how Plaistow should be pronounced
anyway...

Indeed. But we're used to that sort of problem in Cambridgeshire,
Interesting choice of places. I've always pronounced them as:

what
with Wisbech,
"Whizz Beach"

Manea
"May Knee"

and Quy,
Not heard of this one!

Am I wrong?
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

brixtonite wrote:

James Farrar wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:52:29 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

James Farrar wrote:

Oh, joy. Yet more audio assaults.

It needn't be.

Well, no, they don't need to be, but they almost invariably are,
whether due to incorrect pronunciation of placenames, inappropriate
timing of announcements or bad production techniques.

On the 35, for every stop they announce 'bus stopping at the next bus
stop, please stand well clear of doors', which gets on your nerves
pretty soon - and seems unnecessary since there's an audible beep when
the stop button is pressed anyway. If they restrict the announcement
to 'next stop camberwell green' or whatever then no problem, but I
expect more long-winded verbiage...

I concur - it is an immensely stupid, annoying and unnecessary
announcement. Those London Central buses find themselves on other
routes too.

I think the iBus project will be useful to passengers, but hope that
iBus announcements are restricted to major bus stops or compulsory
stops only - I don't want every stop announced otherwise the bus will
never stop talking!

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, asdf wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:47:37 +0100, Martin Krieger wrote:

One thing I don't understand, and which might be a reason for this, is
that while they do excellent announcements on the Tube, DLR etc., there
is no passenger information at all on the buses. When I'm not sure and
ask the driver or other passengers they are usually quite helpful. But
of course if there where some information it would make visitors feel
more sure not to get lost.

Was it ever considered to do announcements on the bus? Is there any
special reason for not doing it?

ISTR being on an 18 about ten years ago which had a dot matrix display
showing the name of the next stop.

All the buses in Swindon do that too. Very helpful!

tom

--
solvilvitur ambulando. copy a diamond shape, recording angel. .. ..

Mizter T wrote:

brixtonite wrote:


James Farrar wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:52:29 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:


James Farrar wrote:

Oh, joy. Yet more audio assaults.

It needn't be.

Well, no, they don't need to be, but they almost invariably are,
whether due to incorrect pronunciation of placenames, inappropriate
timing of announcements or bad production techniques.

On the 35, for every stop they announce 'bus stopping at the next bus
stop, please stand well clear of doors', which gets on your nerves
pretty soon - and seems unnecessary since there's an audible beep when
the stop button is pressed anyway. If they restrict the announcement
to 'next stop camberwell green' or whatever then no problem, but I
expect more long-winded verbiage...


I concur - it is an immensely stupid, annoying and unnecessary
announcement. Those London Central buses find themselves on other
routes too.

I think the iBus project will be useful to passengers, but hope that
iBus announcements are restricted to major bus stops or compulsory
stops only - I don't want every stop announced otherwise the bus will
never stop talking!

Agree. I have been on buses in some towns where the buses have voice
announcements for every bus stop and that is quite annoying. What I, and
many others here it seems, would like to see on buses are displays
showing the next stop (or maybe the next three stops, trams in
Gothenburg do that and I find that useful).

--
Olof Lagerkvist
ICQ: 724451
Web: http://here.is/olof

Mizter T wrote:

Expecting the driver to make announcements and drive/take fares and
inspect tickets is considered unfeasable

Which is something I always found odd, as it is considered very
feasible (and is done consistently) in many other countries, though it
is being quickly replaced by technology.

The usefulness of the bus system to those unfamiliar with it would
increase exponentially with under a grand per bus spent on decent PIS.

Neil

On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 07:23:30AM +0000, Olof Lagerkvist wrote:

Btw, what is really the correct pronounciation of Marylebone?

Marly Bone

The Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marylebone mention both,
the former is said to be some "common" pronounciation while the latter
variant is said to be correct according to "Marylebone Association".

Oh yes, another instance where "neutral point of view" means "it's still
valid even if it's wrong, and look, a citation!".

--
David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age

Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity
-- Hanlon's Razor

Stupidity maintained long enough is a form of malice
-- Richard Bos's corollary

On 22 Jan 2007 04:12:17 -0800, "Mizter T" wrote:

I think the iBus project will be useful to passengers, but hope that
iBus announcements are restricted to major bus stops or compulsory
stops only - I don't want every stop announced otherwise the bus will
never stop talking!

I think you will find every stop will be announced and displayed as I
believe that part of the project's objectives is to provide additional
info for blind and deaf travellers. If you consider what their
requirements are likely to be then you'll find that every stop will need
to be announced and displayed. This is so that they have a fair chance
of knowing that their stop is coming up even if it is not a major stop
or a compulsory one. Quite how hail and ride sections of route will be
done I do not know!
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

David Cantrell wrote:

On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 07:23:30AM +0000, Olof Lagerkvist wrote:


Btw, what is really the correct pronounciation of Marylebone?


Marly Bone

OK, thanks for that!

The Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marylebone mention both,
the former is said to be some "common" pronounciation while the latter
variant is said to be correct according to "Marylebone Association".


Oh yes, another instance where "neutral point of view" means "it's still
valid even if it's wrong, and look, a citation!".

I listen to how local residents say rather than encyclopaedias or
announcements on trains to teach myself the correct pronounciation, but
it is always interesting when they don't agree...

--
Olof Lagerkvist
ICQ: 724451
Web: http://here.is/olof

Paul Corfield wrote:
On 22 Jan 2007 04:12:17 -0800, "Mizter T"
wrote:

I think the iBus project will be useful to passengers, but hope
that iBus announcements are restricted to major bus stops or
compulsory stops only - I don't want every stop announced
otherwise the bus will never stop talking!

I think you will find every stop will be announced and displayed as
I believe that part of the project's objectives is to provide
additional info for blind and deaf travellers. If you consider what
their requirements are likely to be then you'll find that every
stop will need to be announced and displayed. This is so that they
have a fair chance of knowing that their stop is coming up even if
it is not a major stop or a compulsory one.

Very reasonable, and it's not just blind and deaf travellers who will
benefit. Anyone who is not completely familiar with the route, and in a
crowded bus might have difficulty seeing the display, will be grateful
for their stop being announced.

Quite how hail and ride sections of route will be done I do not know!

Good point! Perhaps they could announce the key road junctions.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:54:19 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote:
On 22 Jan 2007 04:12:17 -0800, "Mizter T"
wrote:

I think the iBus project will be useful to passengers, but hope
that iBus announcements are restricted to major bus stops or
compulsory stops only - I don't want every stop announced
otherwise the bus will never stop talking!

I think you will find every stop will be announced and displayed as
I believe that part of the project's objectives is to provide
additional info for blind and deaf travellers. If you consider what
their requirements are likely to be then you'll find that every
stop will need to be announced and displayed. This is so that they
have a fair chance of knowing that their stop is coming up even if
it is not a major stop or a compulsory one.

Very reasonable, and it's not just blind and deaf travellers who will
benefit. Anyone who is not completely familiar with the route, and in a
crowded bus might have difficulty seeing the display, will be grateful
for their stop being announced.

Agreed.

Quite how hail and ride sections of route will be done I do not know!

Good point! Perhaps they could announce the key road junctions.

"We are now on South Countess Road [1] going past number 1, number 3,
number 5, the telephone box, number 7 ......." ;-)

I am reliably informed that circular routes or those with a loop working
where passengers can board or alight at any point are proving to be fun
as the bus is travelling to both its destination on the outward trip and
destination on its inward trip at the same time!

"The next stop is Princes Way. This is a 138 bus to Coney Hall and
Bromley (all at once)"!

[1] on the W11
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!