That is quite different: by drinking and street racing, they were risking
others, whereas the graffiti artists weren't endangering anyone's life.

Graffiti artists (sic) have proven track records (no pun) of covering
speed restriction signs, signals, OPO CCTV or mirrors and train
head/tail-lights, cut holes in depot fencing which could allow access
for small children, all of which could impact on safety. And if we
really need contrasting door and body colours on UK trains under DiPTAC
(which I do doubt) then are even causing difficulties for the partially
sighted too.

These two are no loss to society and it's just a pity so many
passengers are staff were inconvenienced last night and today. Good
riddance though I expect they're already being hailed as martyrs on
taggers' message boards.

Trixie wrote:
[quoting fixed - JB]
The only exception is if they are injured by a criminal or criminally
negligent act committed by someone else - and, because you're always
allowed to use reasonable force to stop people from committing crimes,
this rarely happens. You'd need to (e.g., props to Mr Martin, etc.)
shoot a fleeing child in the back for it to be treated as anything
other than reasonable self defence.

What child ?

In law, a 16-year-old is a child. If you don't like that, why not stand
for Parliament and try and get it changed?

Tony Martin is a hero who killed a pikey scumbag in the dark and who
shouldn't have been on his property.

Tony Martin is a sad, deluded, slighly mad person. A court of law found
that, beyond reasonable doubt, he knowingly shot a fleeing child in the
back. He was eventually acquitted of murder on the grounds of
diminished responsibility. And who cares about the ethnic origin of the
child he killed? (well, racists might, I suppose).

If you believe that the civil offence of trespassing justifies the
murder of the trespasser, then why not stand for Parliament and try and
get that enshrined in law? Or perhaps you could move to one of the
states in the US where this is already the case; don't let the door hit
you on your way out.

These two also got exactly what they deserved. Good riddance to them I hope
some more of these vandals get chopped up by trains.

Death *deserved* for minor vandalism? Why not put that in your
manifesto for Parliament too? "I support lowering the age of majority
to 16, and imposing the death penalty for tresspassing and vandalism".
I reckon you'd get loads of votes. I'm also glad that you want more
train drivers to go through the horrible ordeal of killing someone
(what proportion of drivers never return to work after a one-under
incident? It's non-trivial, ISTR.)

Overall, poor trolling, could do better, but you did get me to rise to
the bait. I'll give you a C+.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

Trixie wrote:
"Boltar" wrote in message
ups.com...
wrote:

Two young boys have been hit and killed by a London Underground (LU)
train in Barking in east London.
Good. They weren't young boys , they were in their twenties and were
vandalising a train. I'd call that a result.

B2003



Two more scumbags dead. Glad to hear it.



Agreed. I'm increasingly seeing SWT's Desiro trains running around here
covered in graffiti and it just looks disgusting. How would these people
like it if we came round to their house and covered the front of it in
paint, and then scratched our names into their living room windows?

These "artists" are not contributing anything to our society.

Train 2 Scum 0.

(And no, I'm not a middle-aged fuddy duddy. I'm 28 and was brought up to
respect the property of other people).

Cheers

Steve M

John B wrote:
Trixie wrote:

Tony Martin is a hero who killed a pikey scumbag in
the dark and who shouldn't have been on his property.

And who cares about the ethnic
origin of the child he killed? (well, racists might, I suppose).

Is pikey a race? I thought it was a behaviour pattern.

John Rowland wrote:
Tony Martin is a hero who killed a pikey scumbag in
the dark and who shouldn't have been on his property.

And who cares about the ethnic
origin of the child he killed? (well, racists might, I suppose).

Is pikey a race? I thought it was a behaviour pattern.

The primary meaning of "pikey" is "Irish traveller", although it is
also used to mean "general scumbag".

Since Fred Barras was from an Irish traveller family, I rather assumed
that the OP was using the term in that sense...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

Once upon a time -- around about 1/13/07 07:26 --
possibly wrote:


wrote:

Two young boys have been hit and killed by a London Underground (LU)
train in Barking in east London.

Good. They weren't young boys , they were in their twenties and were
vandalising a train. I'd call that a result.

More accurately, it's "Justice Served" and think of all the tax dollars it
will save....

Sadly, it will not act as a deterrent because stupid people who do this sort
of thing just won't get it.

-- Rev CMOT

--

%/ & Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try.
/| | 0-0 |\ No hell below us, above us only sky.....
||\| ) \| Imagine all the people, living life in peace.
@ _ / -- John Lennon, "Imagine"

John B wrote:
You think that the UK is *more* nannyish and litigious than the US?
That's an impressive disconnect from reality.

Well, that's what I thought too. Maybe they're gaining a sense of
reality?

In real life, there will not be an enquiry, nobody will sue anyone and
no compensation will be awarded - I'd happily bet £500 on that, if
anyone's up for it.

An interview on Sky News had a police officer saying they were
convinced there was no chase going on, suggesting people are already
beginning to question whether the security guards might have 'caused'
the incident.

My comments were of course not just about this once incident.

Jonathan

John B wrote:
Despite occasional Political Correctness Gone Mad rants in the Daily
Wail, it is simply not the case in the UK that criminals are awarded
compensation for the injuries they acquire during their crimes.

No , the scumbags get the money afterwards once they're in the nick:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6142416.stm

B2003

In article .com, j
(Jonathan Morris) wrote:

John B wrote:
You think that the UK is *more* nannyish and litigious than the
US? That's an impressive disconnect from reality.

Well, that's what I thought too. Maybe they're gaining a sense of
reality?

In real life, there will not be an enquiry, nobody will sue
anyone and no compensation will be awarded - I'd happily bet £500 on
that, if anyone's up for it.

An interview on Sky News had a police officer saying they were
convinced there was no chase going on, suggesting people are already
beginning to question whether the security guards might have
'caused' the incident.

My comments were of course not just about this once incident.

The radio news reported that security guards do not give chase on the
railway because of the danger from live rails and trains.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

John B wrote:

In law, a 16-year-old is a child. If you don't like that, why not stand
for Parliament and try and get it changed?

Tell that the residents who have to put up with 16 year old "children"
dealing drugs and threatening people on various estates.

Tony Martin is a sad, deluded, slighly mad person. A court of law found

So would you be if you lived on your own at a farm and were constantly
bothered by criminals. Perhaps you think he should have invited them in
and had a cup of tea with them and discussed their childhood issues? Or
maybe you do have buried somewhere in your thick head a grain of common
sense and accept that if someone breaks into a house at 3am then their
"human rights" get left at the door.

diminished responsibility. And who cares about the ethnic origin of the
child he killed? (well, racists might, I suppose).

Thats right, if you have nothing else left in your armoury invoke an
"ism". Standard PC discussion rule #1.

If you believe that the civil offence of trespassing justifies the

Since when was burglary a civil offense? Oh but they didn't take
anything did they? I'm sure they were poor innocents who just got lost
on the way to the pub and had no intention of ransacking the place if
it was empty.

Death *deserved* for minor vandalism? Why not put that in your

As you well know , no one would meet out that kind of punishment on
someone for that sort of offense but if it happens by accident while
they're commiting the crime then I doubt anyone except their familes
will shed any tears.

You really are a muppet arn't you. I bet you're a typical pseudo
intellectual lefty bull****ter who probably has a nice well paid job
and a comfy lifestyle. You don't have to live in remote farmhouses or
run down estates and have to worry about what the noise outside at 4am
every night is. No doubt you impress your friends at champagne dinner
parties with your magnanimous approach to justice and respect for the
individual. So caring , so on-the-money, tut tutting at people who
would like to get even with the scum who make their life a misery as
unreformed knuckle draggers who don't really know any better and don't
understand the complexities of the issues involved that you have such a
fine grasp of.

You're and people like you really do need a quick sharp dose of reality
before you take us all down with you.

B2003