Does anybody know the reason that the Willsden Junction- Clapham Junction
train takes so long? I know there is a voltage change between Willesden &
Olympia, but the train crawls on this section & often stops two or three
times. Between Olympia & West Brompton the speed is reasonable but after
that the train crawls to Clapham Junction, the other day a jackdaw overtook
the train & it was walking beside the track.
Also was there a plan to build a station at Chelsea Harbour at one time?


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Eric

"Eric" wrote in message
...
Does anybody know the reason that the Willsden Junction- Clapham Junction
train takes so long? I know there is a voltage change between Willesden &
Olympia, but the train crawls on this section & often stops two or three
times. Between Olympia & West Brompton the speed is reasonable but after
that the train crawls to Clapham Junction, the other day a jackdaw
overtook the train & it was walking beside the track.
Also was there a plan to build a station at Chelsea Harbour at one time?


The new station is going to be called Imperial Wharf - it actually made it
onto the maps in 2005, but has since gone again - I believe its all tied in
with ongoing planning permissions for the housing which will allow it to be
paid for by the developer...

Paul

On May 7, 5:12�pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Eric" wrote in message

... Does anybody know the reason that the Willsden Junction- Clapham Junction
train takes so long? *I know there is a voltage change between Willesden &
Olympia, but the train crawls on this section & often stops two or three
times. Between Olympia & West Brompton the speed is reasonable but after
that the train crawls to Clapham Junction, the other day a jackdaw
overtook the train & it was walking beside the track.
Also was there a plan to build a station at Chelsea Harbour at one time?

The new station is going to be called Imperial Wharf - it actually made it
onto the maps in 2005, but has since gone again - I believe its all tied in
with ongoing planning permissions for the housing *which will allow it to be
paid for by the developer...

Paul


I still don't understand this reference to ongoing planning permission
for housing.

When the crooked (I use the term advisedly, since there can be no
other explanation for London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham's volte
farce over planning consent) St. George developers obtained planning
consent for their Las Vegas-style over-development of the Fulham
Gasworks site, they GUARANTEED (I was at the public meeting) that the
money for the new station at Chelsea Harbour (now mooted to be called
Imperial Wharf) was ring-fenced and available, and the ONLY reason
that the station was not being built immediately was because of
reluctance on the part of Railtrack in slowing up operation of the
line (the more stations the slower the paths, presumably), especially
with Eurostar and freight movements.

Some ten years on, still not a scintilla of a sight of that much-
fabled station - as I said would be the case at that same public
meeting. So, the long-suffering traffic-jammed residents of Fulham who
daily incur more traffic and jams as the developers' properties come
on stream, have been thoroughly conned, cheated and treated with
contempt. Just as I predicted at the meeting at which the St. George
crooks somehow swindled councillors and others into their dishonest
pockets.

Marc.

On May 14, 11:49 pm, " wrote:
Some ten years on, still not a scintilla of a sight of that much-
fabled station - as I said would be the case at that same public
meeting. So, the long-suffering traffic-jammed residents of Fulham who
daily incur more traffic and jams as the developers' properties come
on stream, have been thoroughly conned, cheated and treated with
contempt. Just as I predicted at the meeting at which the St. George
crooks somehow swindled councillors and others into their dishonest
pockets.

St George's contribution was only ever going to cover half the
construction costs, and according to the GLA, "The West London Line
station contribution has been received":
http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/plann...c&h_report.pdf

The other half of the cost is meant to be met by another developer
(Circadian) if their development goes ahead.

U

On May 15, 12:29?am, Mr Thant
wrote:
On May 14, 11:49 pm, " wrote:

Some ten years on, still not a scintilla of a sight of that much-
fabled station - as I said would be the case at that same public
meeting. So, the long-suffering traffic-jammed residents of Fulham who
daily incur more traffic and jams as the developers' properties come
on stream, have been thoroughly conned, cheated and treated with
contempt. Just as I predicted at the meeting at which the St. George
crooks somehow swindled councillors and others into their dishonest
pockets.

St George's contribution was only ever going to cover half the
construction costs, and according to the GLA, "The West London Line
station contribution has been received":http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/plann...egic_dev/2005/...

The other half of the cost is meant to be met by another developer
(Circadian) if their development goes ahead.

U

U,

Many thanks for that.

This is certainly NOT what either St. George or the local authority
said AT THE TIME PLANNING CONSENT WAS GRANTED. They had us believe
that the money for the station was ringfenced and the ONLY obstruction
was Railtrack.

At that time, the other development (Lots Road Power Station) was not
even being considered, Lots Road Power Station was still in operation,
no development plans let alone developers were on the table and, in
any event, that land is outside Hammersmith & Fulham's jurisdiction
anyway, so they could have had no say in demanding money from those
(yet to be appointed) developers for money towards a station.

Marc.

wrote in message
oups.com...
On May 15, 12:29?am, Mr Thant

St George's contribution was only ever going to cover half the
construction costs, and according to the GLA, "The West London Line
station contribution has been
received":http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/plann...egic_dev/2005/...

The other half of the cost is meant to be met by another developer
(Circadian) if their development goes ahead.

U

Many thanks for that.

This is certainly NOT what either St. George or the local authority
said AT THE TIME PLANNING CONSENT WAS GRANTED. They had us believe
that the money for the station was ringfenced and the ONLY obstruction
was Railtrack.

At that time, the other development (Lots Road Power Station) was not
even being considered, Lots Road Power Station was still in operation,
no development plans let alone developers were on the table and, in
any event, that land is outside Hammersmith & Fulham's jurisdiction
anyway, so they could have had no say in demanding money from those
(yet to be appointed) developers for money towards a station.


I wonder if its simply that the original amount ringfenced didn't ever
account for 'railway inflation' during the intervening period - Railtrack
were apparently quite optimistic on project costs - and now the local
authority & St George are trying to collectively flannel their way round the
issue, by attempting to offload it onto the newer development? Its not too
easy to find anything concrete on the H&F web site...

Paul

On Mon, 7 May 2007, Eric wrote:

Does anybody know the reason that the Willsden Junction- Clapham
Junction train takes so long? I know there is a voltage change between
Willesden & Olympia, but the train crawls on this section & often stops
two or three times. Between Olympia & West Brompton the speed is
reasonable but after that the train crawls to Clapham Junction,

I'm no expert, but it's my understanding this is a signalling thing - what
with everything being very complicated at the CJ end, there's lots of
slack time allowed for fitting in with all the other trains etc.

the other day a jackdaw overtook the train & it was walking beside the
track.

That's because they were recently upgraded under the PPP contract, and as
such are now operating at 15% greater speeds.



tom

--
Gin for the mind, kebabs for the body, sushi for the soul

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 7 May 2007, Eric wrote:

the other day a jackdaw overtook the train & it was walking beside
the track.

That's because they were recently upgraded under the PPP contract,
and as such are now operating at 15% greater speeds.

You mean 115% greater speeds. That's because they're supposed to *fly*
over the tracks to inspect them, but they're working to rule at the
moment, as the new method restricts their ability to eat on the job.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

On May 7, 7:51 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 7 May 2007, Eric wrote:
Does anybody know the reason that the Willsden Junction- Clapham
Junction train takes so long? I know there is a voltage change between
Willesden & Olympia, but the train crawls on this section & often stops
two or three times. Between Olympia & West Brompton the speed is
reasonable but after that the train crawls to Clapham Junction,

I'm no expert, but it's my understanding this is a signalling thing - what
with everything being very complicated at the CJ end, there's lots of
slack time allowed for fitting in with all the other trains etc.

the other day a jackdaw overtook the train & it was walking beside the
track.

That's because they were recently upgraded under the PPP contract, and as
such are now operating at 15% greater speeds.



tom

--
Gin for the mind, kebabs for the body, sushi for the soul


I dont think it's particularly complicated at the CJ end.
The Willesden line doesn't cross any other line used by passenger
trains.
And it runs from a single dedicated platform and into a single line.
So can't see the signalling being that complicated.
The only thing you might have are the odds goods train.

A.

Well all i can say is that you picked a bad day to travel on this
line. I m a Guard on the Willesden to Claphams and can tell you that
most of the time things hardly happen. You will find that the reason
why trains are usually late is because of the stupid timings awarded
to both Southern and Silverlink from Network Rail and its previous
incumbents Railtrack. If you looked very carefully at the timetable a
Southern service is due to leave Clapham at 03 past the hour from
platform 16 and a Silverlink service is due to leave at 05 past each
hour from platform 2. This is rather pathetic as the Southern service
is always late. A typical 05 service from Clapham is like this:
Leave Clapham right time, stop at first signal to allow late running
southern service to past, then follow the southern on single yellows
normally stopping at the signal protecting West Brompton Stn, and
again stopping short of Kensington Olympia Stn, then continue at a
slow pace untill being stopped just before the pantogarph and third
rail change over point, then stop to change over pantograph and third
rail continue to Willesden Junction. where after all that you will
still arrive on time as their is so much slack in the timings, that is
why when the trains are on time they sit at stations for a couple of
minutes.

Most of the time the train is slow is because it is following another
train and is being driven under cautionary aspects.


keithy