BRB Class 465 wrote:

I believe test trains will start running to T5 fairly soon, and it's a
considerable logistical challenge to train a whole line's drivers
without disrupting the everyday service. Walking the tunnels is one
way of speeding up this process.

Really? I can't believe they can learn anything useful by walking the
tunnel. Do brand new Picc drivers have to walk from Cockfosters to Uxbridge
before they are allowed to drive their first train?

To me, the obvious way to do it is to run a low percentage of trains to T5
so that the drivers can do it empty at 15mph. All the passengers would be
kicked out at T123. Negligible disruption to passengers.

Or just use a simulator!

On 14 May 2007 15:46:38 -0700, MIG
wrote:

On May 14, 4:44 pm, "John Rowland"
wrote:
chunky munky wrote:

Other stations where the LUL entrance/exit is via another building is
High St Kensington, Bond Street,

Bond St station has two exits direct to the street, one of which is in
Stratford Place.

Hammersmith (Dist & Picc), Fulham Broadway

I think Fulham Broadway has an exit to the street, but it is only open
during footie matches.



There must be a few stations whose only exit is via a public subway,
which is a kind of building and isn't part of the station. Eg Gants
Hill.

Hyde Park Corner? Marble Arch?

James Farrar wrote:

There must be a few stations whose only exit is via a public subway,
which is a kind of building and isn't part of the station. Eg Gants
Hill.

Hyde Park Corner?

Probably

Marble Arch?

No, there is a direct entrance on the north side of, er, Marble Arch.

John Rowland:
The old Wood Lane Station and the original Charing Cross terminus of CCHR
were one-way on a loop...

No, there was no loop at the original 1907 CCE&HR [Northern Line]
terminus of Charing Cross -- later called Charing Cross (Strand),
then Strand, and now once again Charing Cross. That was an ordinary
two-track terminus. The one-way loop station was the terminus of
the 1914 extension -- the station originally called Charing Cross
(Embankment), then Charing Cross, then Charing Cross Embankment,
and now Embankment.

When the line was extended again in 1926, the loop was closed.
This became important during World War II because part of it was
under the Thames. The running tunnels under the river (as well as
the District Line under the Victoria Embankment) had to be provided
with floodgates, but the loop could just be sealed with concrete.
As it turned out, the sealed-off loop was the only Underground tunnel
to be flooded by the river following a bomb hit.

John's right about Wood Lane, except he didn't specify that he meant
the station of that name on the Central London Railway [Central Line],
not the one on the Metropolitan Railway [Hammersmth & City Line].
It was a one-way loop terminus from 1908 until 1920.
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On May 15, 1:22 am, "John Rowland"
wrote:
BRB Class 465 wrote:

I believe test trains will start running to T5 fairly soon, and it's a
considerable logistical challenge to train a whole line's drivers
without disrupting the everyday service. Walking the tunnels is one
way of speeding up this process.

Really? I can't believe they can learn anything useful by walking the
tunnel. Do brand new Picc drivers have to walk from Cockfosters to Uxbridge
before they are allowed to drive their first train?

To me, the obvious way to do it is to run a low percentage of trains to T5
so that the drivers can do it empty at 15mph. All the passengers would be
kicked out at T123. Negligible disruption to passengers.

Or just use a simulator!



This was only Instructor Operators and TubeLines Test Operators, plus
a load of Managers...... This wasy they can show all the other drivers
so come next year they wont have Operators refusing to run to T5 as
they dont know the route - which is usually what happens as LUL leave
things like this to the last minute - Wembley Park platform 6 to
Neasden Depot springs to mind here - so well done LUL!

Also the trains will run Empty from Northfields Depot - T5 -
Northfields Depot

On Tue, 15 May 2007 01:27:56 +0100, James Farrar wrote:

There must be a few stations whose only exit is via a public subway,
which is a kind of building and isn't part of the station. Eg Gants
Hill.

Hyde Park Corner? Marble Arch?

Old Street, Hanger Lane...

On Mon, 14 May 2007 22:46:14 +0100, "Recliner"
wrote:

wrote in message

What about Blake Hall, North Weald and Ongar did they used to use
only one platform?

Now those really were little-used stations, and not the only ones to
have but a single operational platform. But none of them were one-way
like T4.


The pedant in me would like to point out that North Weald had a passing
loop, and thus two platforms, although it fell out of use during the
last years.

Two standard stock tube trains passing at North Weald under semaphore
signalling - that was something to remember.



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Bill Hayles

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On May 15, 10:20 am, asdf wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2007 01:27:56 +0100, James Farrar wrote:
There must be a few stations whose only exit is via a public subway,
which is a kind of building and isn't part of the station. Eg Gants
Hill.

Hyde Park Corner? Marble Arch?

Old Street, Hanger Lane...



Notting Hill Gate I think.

On Mon, 14 May 2007, Recliner wrote:

"John Rowland" wrote in
message

Speaking of airports, I just found a reference to Kenley Airport,

Aerodrome.

and a quick look at Windows Live Local showed me that there is indeed
an airport in Greater London that I'd never heard of!

What flies from there? Looking at the spy pictures, i see gliders and
light planes, suggesting it's not used for passenger flights.

Bonus for John - what's this:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl...&t=k&z=18&om=1

? There's a hint in the PS!

Me too. But I bet it doesn't have its own tube station!

Not quite, but it's a stone's throw from Whyteleafe, Upper Warlingham and
Whyteleafe South stations. I'm sure one of those could be renamed
accordingly!

A quick Google found this page:
www.danhamblin.btinternet.co.uk/pages/bob.htm

Interesting.

tom

PS Photo hint - see if you can find out what the building south of it is.

PPS Not that i actually know what that thing is myself!

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In article , Recliner
writes
What about Blake Hall, North Weald and Ongar did they used to use
only one platform?
Now those really were little-used stations, and not the only ones to
have but a single operational platform. But none of them were one-way
like T4.

Well, trains only left in one direction (ditto for Mill Hill East).

Tramlink has several one-way stations.

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