Barry Salter wrote:
wrote:

Anyway I've no intention of voluenteering to find out. Going from
Marble Arch I shall be taking a long, boring but safe loop via
Edgware Road, St Johns wood Road, Park Road and Baker Street before
turning right onto the Westway.

Looking at the map showing the extended CC Zone, and comparing it with
Multimap, suggests that you'd need to do Marble Arch - Edgware Road -
Sussex Gardens - Sale Place - Praed Street - Eastbourne Terrace -
Bishops Bridge Road - Westbourne Terrace - Orsett Terrace - Gloucester
Terrace - Ranelagh Bridge - Westway to avoid the CC, which is a lot of
messing about!

Praed St is eastbound-only from Norfolk Place to Edgware Road, so you can't
reach the 2-way part of Praed St from the east without paying the CC charge.
In fact, I have no idea why Praed St west of Sale Place is excluded from the
CC zone, since you can't really use it to get to or from Paddington.

The correct CC-free route from Marble Arch to Westway is Edgware Road -
Harrow Road - Bishops Bridge Road - Westbourne Terrace - Orsett Terrace -
Gloucester Terrace - Ranelagh Bridge - Westway. Even if you were exempt from
the CC charge, this is shorter and faster than any route passing to the
immediate south of Paddington.

John Rowland wrote:
Barry Salter wrote:
wrote:

Anyway I've no intention of voluenteering to find out. Going from
Marble Arch I shall be taking a long, boring but safe loop via
Edgware Road, St Johns wood Road, Park Road and Baker Street
before turning right onto the Westway.

Looking at the map showing the extended CC Zone, and comparing it
with Multimap, suggests that you'd need to do Marble Arch -
Edgware Road - Sussex Gardens - Sale Place - Praed Street -
Eastbourne Terrace - Bishops Bridge Road - Westbourne Terrace -
Orsett Terrace - Gloucester Terrace - Ranelagh Bridge - Westway to
avoid the CC, which is a lot of messing about!

Praed St is eastbound-only from Norfolk Place to Edgware Road, so
you can't reach the 2-way part of Praed St from the east without
paying the CC charge. In fact, I have no idea why Praed St west of
Sale Place is excluded from the CC zone, since you can't really use
it to get to or from Paddington.

You can conveniently use it eastbound to leave Paddington to get to the
Edgware Road - Park Lane free route across the CC zone, or to join the
Marylebone Road eastbound.

The correct CC-free route from Marble Arch to Westway is Edgware
Road - Harrow Road - Bishops Bridge Road - Westbourne Terrace -
Orsett Terrace - Gloucester Terrace - Ranelagh Bridge - Westway.
Even if you were exempt from the CC charge, this is shorter and
faster than any route passing to the immediate south of Paddington.

Or alternatively: Marble Arch - Edgware Road - Sussex Gardens - Sale
Place - Praed Street (eastbound) - Chapel Street - Old Marylebone Road,
and sharp left into Marylebone Road westbound (a useful but curiously
unsignposted way of joining the westbound A40), then over the flyover on
to Westway.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:
John Rowland wrote:

Praed St is eastbound-only from Norfolk Place to Edgware Road, so
you can't reach the 2-way part of Praed St from the east without
paying the CC charge. In fact, I have no idea why Praed St west of
Sale Place is excluded from the CC zone, since you can't really use
it to get to or from Paddington.

You can conveniently use it eastbound to leave Paddington to get to
the Edgware Road - Park Lane free route across the CC zone, or to
join the Marylebone Road eastbound.

Not conveniently... there is no left turn from Departures Road to Praed St.
You would have to go right into Praed St, right into Eastbourne Terrace,
then do a U-turn.

The correct CC-free route from Marble Arch to Westway is Edgware
Road - Harrow Road - Bishops Bridge Road - Westbourne Terrace -
Orsett Terrace - Gloucester Terrace - Ranelagh Bridge - Westway.
Even if you were exempt from the CC charge, this is shorter and
faster than any route passing to the immediate south of Paddington.

Or alternatively: Marble Arch - Edgware Road - Sussex Gardens - Sale
Place - Praed Street (eastbound) - Chapel Street - Old Marylebone
Road, and sharp left into Marylebone Road westbound (a useful but
curiously unsignposted way of joining the westbound A40), then over
the flyover on to Westway.

Good one!

John Rowland wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
John Rowland wrote:

Praed St is eastbound-only from Norfolk Place to Edgware Road, so
you can't reach the 2-way part of Praed St from the east without
paying the CC charge. In fact, I have no idea why Praed St west of
Sale Place is excluded from the CC zone, since you can't really
use it to get to or from Paddington.

You can conveniently use it eastbound to leave Paddington to get to
the Edgware Road - Park Lane free route across the CC zone, or to
join the Marylebone Road eastbound.

Not conveniently... there is no left turn from Departures Road to
Praed St. You would have to go right into Praed St, right into
Eastbourne Terrace, then do a U-turn.

Oops! Forgot that. Is there an online street map that shows all the
banned turns in Central London?
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:
John Rowland wrote:

there is no left turn from Departures Road to
Praed St. You would have to go right into Praed St, right into
Eastbourne Terrace, then do a U-turn.

Oops! Forgot that. Is there an online street map that shows all the
banned turns in Central London?

I don't think so, but this is reasonably good at knowing them, even though
it doesn't directly show them.

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...tion&encType=1

However, several turns in the Paddington area have become banned or become
allowed since their database was created.

Oops! Forgot that. Is there an online street map that shows all the
banned turns in Central London?
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)


No, the AA used to include them in the back of their national road
atlas until about 5/6 years ago. Neither of my London atlases (A-Z and
Collins) shows them.

To look at the average atlas you would think you could simply turn
right at the end of the Westway to join the N-S free route, and vice
versa!

wrote:
Is there an online street map that shows all
the banned turns in Central London?

No, the AA used to include them in the back of their national road
atlas until about 5/6 years ago. Neither of my London atlases (A-Z and
Collins) shows them.

Philip's EasyRead London shows banned and forced turns in the central area.
There are numerous errors.

To look at the average atlas you would think you could simply turn
right at the end of the Westway to join the N-S free route, and vice
versa!

Philip's doesn't really help much there!

I think maps and atlases should pretend that the Westway is a tunnel. It is
impossible to show any of the roads in that area properly with Westway on
top of them.

Similarly, I recently found out that if you're heading west along Talgarth
Road, you can do a u-turn under the Hammersmith flyover and then turn left
into Shortlands, without going around the Hammersmith one-way system. I've
never seen that in a map, and my TomTom doesn't know it's there either.