St Pancras International
 

Reminder - bookings for Eurostar from St Pancras are now available via their
website

www.eurostar.com

Paul

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On Jul 24, 10:58 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Reminder - bookings for Eurostar from St Pancras are now available via their
website

www.eurostar.com

Paul

Is there any prospect of through services yet beyond London? Also does
anyone know if TGVs or ICEs will ever visit these shores now that
there is a UIC gauge route the whole way?

B2003

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"Boltar" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 24, 10:58 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Reminder - bookings for Eurostar from St Pancras are now available via
their
website

Is there any prospect of through services yet beyond London?

Not likely - they've lent the appropriate trains to SNCF for services in
France.

Also does
anyone know if TGVs or ICEs will ever visit these shores now that
there is a UIC gauge route the whole way?

No - not until the construction rules for trains using the tunnel are
changed. As discussed many times before...

Paul

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In article ,
"Paul Scott" wrote:

Reminder - bookings for Eurostar from St Pancras are now available via their
website

www.eurostar.com

Double page spread in the Independent this morning showing a picture of
not-quite-completed StP from track level. I guess the other papers have
similar but I haven't seen them yet.

Sam

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On Jul 24, 10:58 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Reminder - bookings for Eurostar from St Pancras are now available via their
website

www.eurostar.com

Paul

The first train from London to Paris on 14 Nov is the 12:30 - I
always suspected that a truly 'overnight' move from Waterloo would be
a little ambitious to say the least.

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"EE507" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Jul 24, 10:58 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Reminder - bookings for Eurostar from St Pancras are now available via
their
website

www.eurostar.com

Paul

The first train from London to Paris on 14 Nov is the 12:30 - I
always suspected that a truly 'overnight' move from Waterloo would be
a little ambitious to say the least.

Is that definite? If so I have a £59 day return on the first public service
out of St Pancras International - bargain. I was assuming the earlier
trains might have been fully booked.

UKR meet anyone?

Paul

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On Jul 24, 11:27 am, Boltar wrote:
Is there any prospect of through services yet beyond London? Also does
anyone know if TGVs or ICEs will ever visit these shores now that
there is a UIC gauge route the whole way?


Only if they can be modified to comply with Channel Tunnel safety
standards, plus whatever signalling systems are necessary. This is
not easy, so it would probably be easier to build new.

Oh, if they are not carrying passengers I suppose there's a
possibility, but there wouldn't be much point.

PhilD

--

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In message . com, at
03:27:48 on Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Boltar remarked:

Is there any prospect of through services yet beyond London?

Not until the Daily Mail is satisfied that we have found a way to deal
with our porous borders.
--
Roland Perry

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On Jul 24, 12:25 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

The first train from London to Paris on 14 Nov is the 12:30 - I
always suspected that a truly 'overnight' move from Waterloo would be
a little ambitious to say the least.

Is that definite? If so I have a £59 day return on the first public service
out of St Pancras International - bargain. I was assuming the earlier
trains might have been fully booked.

Deduced from online booking engine. The 12:30 is showing fully booked
for some categories of business/first class, consistent with VIP
getting the best seats...

St Pancras International
 

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...
Reminder - bookings for Eurostar from St Pancras are now available via
their website

www.eurostar.com

Paul
Quite by chance (as the sun was out) I ventured in darkest Kent today to
take some pictures at the junction between new and old Eurostar routes.
After a bit of a struggle to get there because my sat-nav didn't know a road
had been blocked off, I arrived at the very convenient bridge visible on the
map, only to find it gated and barb-wired!
30 years ago I might have struggled over but I decided to find an
alternative but far less satisfactory position on an adjacent bridle path.

Having only a guestimate for train times, I managed repeatedly to have
wandered away from the "best" vantage point every time a train passed with
the results you will see (the flowers are nice though).

I was also caught out by 2 services on the "new" line, following scheduled
trains up and down. I have marked them as to and
from St. Pancras but in truth I don't know where they were going. Does
anyone have a schedule? Picture links below - the 2 non-eurostar pics helped
me fill in the time! Rather them than me.

www.thebattens.me.uk/euro1(1010exwat).jpg
www.thebattens.me.uk/euro2(tostp).jpg
www.thebattens.me.uk/euro3(tostprear).jpg
www.thebattens.me.uk/euro4(0959exbru).jpg
www.thebattens.me.uk/euro5(1040exwat).jpg
www.thebattens.me.uk/euro6(1040exwatrear).jpg
www.thebattens.me.uk/euro7(1043exwat).jpg
www.thebattens.me.uk/euro8(1043exwatrear).jpg
www.thebattens.me.uk/noteuro1.jpg
www.thebattens.me.uk/noteuro2.jpg

Anyway, between 1030 and 1130 this site is quite busy if anyone who has no
fear of ripped trousers (or worse) wants to have a go!

MaxB

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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:25:18 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

"EE507" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Jul 24, 10:58 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Reminder - bookings for Eurostar from St Pancras are now available via
their
website

www.eurostar.com

Paul

The first train from London to Paris on 14 Nov is the 12:30 - I
always suspected that a truly 'overnight' move from Waterloo would be
a little ambitious to say the least.

Is that definite? If so I have a £59 day return on the first public service
out of St Pancras International

I'm afraid there appears to be an 11:06 to Brussels so you aren't
on the first public service.

David

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"David Walters" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:25:18 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

"EE507" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Jul 24, 10:58 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Reminder - bookings for Eurostar from St Pancras are now available via
their
website

www.eurostar.com

Paul

The first train from London to Paris on 14 Nov is the 12:30 - I
always suspected that a truly 'overnight' move from Waterloo would be
a little ambitious to say the least.

Is that definite? If so I have a £59 day return on the first public
service
out of St Pancras International

I'm afraid there appears to be an 11:06 to Brussels so you aren't
on the first public service.


That's ok, I always think of it as a London to Paris route with a siding
anyway...

Paul

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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:37:32 +0100 someone who may be Roland Perry
wrote this:-

Is there any prospect of through services yet beyond London?

Not until the Daily Mail is satisfied that we have found a way to deal
with our porous borders.

Probably. In other words never.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:36:23 +0100, Sam Wilson
wrote in :
In article ,
"Paul Scott" wrote:

Reminder - bookings for Eurostar from St Pancras are now available via their
website

www.eurostar.com

Double page spread in the Independent this morning showing a picture of
not-quite-completed StP from track level. I guess the other papers have
similar but I haven't seen them yet.

Guardian has a double-page of the DLR boring machine broken through
at Woolwich Arsenal -- haven't found a link on their site yet.

--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. ] Room 40-1-B12, CERN

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"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...


I'm afraid there appears to be an 11:06 to Brussels so you aren't
on the first public service.


That's ok, I always think of it as a London to Paris route with a siding
anyway...


Strange that. I think of it as a route linking UK with Brussels en route to
heart of Europe, plus a branch serving somewhere of very limited interest.

David (Who has yet to do Waterloo - Paris, despite several trips each year
to Brussels.)

Woolwich Arsenal (was St Pancras International)
 

Dr Ivan D. Reid wrote:
Guardian has a double-page of the DLR boring machine broken through
at Woolwich Arsenal -- haven't found a link on their site yet.

Once the DLR is open at Woolwich Arsenal, is there going to be an
increase in National Rail services calling there?

If you're going to/from Kent, at what point along the DLR Woolwich
branch will it be quicker to go via the DLR and change at Woolwich,
rather than go via Canary Wharf and change at Greenwich on NR?

Woolwich Arsenal (was St Pancras International)
 

"Mark Morton" wrote

Once the DLR is open at Woolwich Arsenal, is there going to be an
increase in National Rail services calling there?

All trains through Woolwich Arsenal call there already, and I don't think
there's much scope for an increase in frequency.

Peter

St Pancras International
 

On 24 Jul, 12:28, PhilD wrote:
Only if they can be modified to comply with Channel Tunnel safety
standards, plus whatever signalling systems are necessary. This is
not easy, so it would probably be easier to build new.

How different are these standards to those required for the rail
tunnels in the alps?

B2003

Woolwich Arsenal (was St Pancras International)
 

On Jul 24, 5:14 pm, Mark Morton wrote:
Dr Ivan D. Reid wrote:

Guardian has a double-page of the DLR boring machine broken through
at Woolwich Arsenal -- haven't found a link on their site yet.

Once the DLR is open at Woolwich Arsenal, is there going to be an
increase in National Rail services calling there?

If you're going to/from Kent, at what point along the DLR Woolwich
branch will it be quicker to go via the DLR and change at Woolwich,
rather than go via Canary Wharf and change at Greenwich on NR?

From anywhere between Bank and King George V. The DLR website gives
Woolwich Arsenal to Bank as 27 minutes, while Greenwich to Bank is 22
minutes; and the train takes 11 - 13 minutes to get from Greenwich to
Woolwich.You'll only be better going via Greenwich if you're
travelling from stations between Pudding Mill Lane and Lewisham.

St Pancras International
 

On Jul 24, 11:44 am, Boltar wrote:

How different are these standards to those required for the rail
tunnels in the alps?


Has been discussed ad nauseam in uk.railway over the last 10 years.

Its not so much what the rules are ... but who made them.

--
Nick

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"EE507" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 24, 12:25 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

The first train from London to Paris on 14 Nov is the 12:30 - I
always suspected that a truly 'overnight' move from Waterloo would be
a little ambitious to say the least.

Is that definite? If so I have a £59 day return on the first public
service
out of St Pancras International - bargain. I was assuming the earlier
trains might have been fully booked.

Deduced from online booking engine. The 12:30 is showing fully booked
for some categories of business/first class, consistent with VIP
getting the best seats...

I managed to get 2 Leisure Select 1st singles on the 12:30 departure at (I
think) at £79.50 each. Only downside is we can't use the Eurostar Lounge at
Kings Cross (if it will even be open on that day) but it's a great deal
considering we're on the first St Pancras-Paris service. Plenty of Leisure
Select availability the next day coming back.

St Pancras International
 

David Walters wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:25:18 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

The first train from London to Paris on 14 Nov is the 12:30 - I
always suspected that a truly 'overnight' move from Waterloo would
be a little ambitious to say the least.

Is that definite? If so I have a £59 day return on the first public
service out of St Pancras International

I'm afraid there appears to be an 11:06 to Brussels so you aren't
on the first public service.

Won't the first trains to use the new line be coming in rather than going
out? Or will they travel ECS from Waterloo to St Pancras?

St Pancras International
 

David Thornhill wrote:

David (Who has yet to do Waterloo - Paris, despite several trips each year
to Brussels.)

What is the exit from Brussels like now?
The only time I went, the queue seemed to go along half of the train,
and took around 40 minutes to get through the barrier, I only had a 1
hour connection, and needed to buy an onward ticket as well so was a bit
worried about getting it.
Then I saw the long queue for tickets - luckily there was 1 window for
'International' tickets with no queue, to which I went, and was berated
for asking to go to Rotterdam, when I should have queued in the
'domestic' queue. I was served though, and just made it.
Alan.
--
To reply by e-mail, change the ' + ' to 'plus'.

St Pancras International
 

"John Rowland" wrote

Won't the first trains to use the new line be coming in rather than going
out? Or will they travel ECS from Waterloo to St Pancras?

AIUI E* are transferring from North Pole to Stratford depot at the same time
as they transfer from Waterloo to St Pancras. So I'd expect that trains
coming out of service at Waterloo on the last day there to run ecs towards
North Pole as usual, but to continue round the NLL and HS1 to Stratford.
Trains already at North Pole would be transferred to Stratford, and trains
coming in to service at St Pancras will arrive ecs from Stratford.

Peter

Woolwich Arsenal (was St Pancras International)
 

On Jul 24, 8:59 pm, brixtonite wrote:
On Jul 24, 5:14 pm, Mark Morton wrote:

Dr Ivan D. Reid wrote:

Guardian has a double-page of the DLR boring machine broken through
at Woolwich Arsenal -- haven't found a link on their site yet.

Once the DLR is open at Woolwich Arsenal, is there going to be an
increase in National Rail services calling there?

If you're going to/from Kent, at what point along the DLR Woolwich
branch will it be quicker to go via the DLR and change at Woolwich,
rather than go via Canary Wharf and change at Greenwich on NR?
From anywhere between Bank and King George V. The DLR website gives

Woolwich Arsenal to Bank as 27 minutes, while Greenwich to Bank is 22
minutes; and the train takes 11 - 13 minutes to get from Greenwich to
Woolwich.You'll only be better going via Greenwich if you're
travelling from stations between Pudding Mill Lane and Lewisham.

If you're at Bank, then just get on a train at Cannon Street.

I am trying to work out the main use of the extension. Anyone wanting
the City will just stay on the train to Cannon Street. Anyone wanting
Canary Wharf will need to change at Greenwich or Lewisham or else have
to change again at Poplar or Westferry.

So the real link it adds is for people who want to cross the Thames
and head towards places like Stratford, which for the moment they
can't without changes, or London City Airport. It's a pedestrian
alternative to the Woolwich Ferry and foot tunnel, and can't be much
more till new connections are build north of the Thames.

St Pancras International
 

On Jul 24, 11:21 pm, D7666 wrote:
On Jul 24, 11:44 am, Boltar wrote:

How different are these standards to those required for the rail
tunnels in the alps?

Has been discussed ad nauseam in uk.railway over the last 10 years.

Well excuse me for not trawling back through a few hundred thousand
posts from the 90s.

B2003

St Pancras International
 

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:05:10 -0700 someone who may be Boltar
wrote this:-

How different are these standards to those required for the rail
tunnels in the alps?

Has been discussed ad nauseam in uk.railway over the last 10 years.

Well excuse me for not trawling back through a few hundred thousand
posts from the 90s.

I'm sure a search engine would reduce the number of postings to look
through, by a large number.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

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David Hansen wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:05:10 -0700 someone who may be Boltar
wrote this:-

Well excuse me for not trawling back through a few hundred thousand
posts from the 90s.

I'm sure a search engine would reduce the number of postings to look
through, by a large number.

Surely that's the point of the Google Groups archive. It takes seconds to
pull up postings from the past.

St Pancras International
 

Boltar wrote:
On 24 Jul, 12:28, PhilD wrote:
Only if they can be modified to comply with Channel Tunnel safety
standards, plus whatever signalling systems are necessary. This is
not easy, so it would probably be easier to build new.

How different are these standards to those required for the rail
tunnels in the alps?

This subject has been covered to death on both uk.railway and
misc.transport.rail.europe. In summary, services other than London -
Ebbsfleed - Ashsford - Lille - Paris/Brussels are not practicable in the
current situation for two main reasons:

1) All platforms at which the trains call must be secure zones, will the
only entry to the platform through security. This has the effect that
if you have more than a couple of trains a day, you need dedicated
platforms. Useful destinations such as Antwerp, Amsterdam, Cologne,
Birmingham, Leeds and Manchester have no spare platforms and no space to
build new ones. This could be solved by dealing with security and
Immigration on board the train between London and Ashford (outbound) or
Lille and Calais (inbound), putting undesirables off the train at
Callais/Ashford.

2) Trains through the tunnel must meet very stringent safety
requirements. Probably the most awkward of these is the need to be able
to didvide the train to use part of the train to remove passengers so
that a disabled and dangerous half-set can be abandonned in the tunnel,
and the passengers can be evacuated. Conventional TGVs are indivisible
sets, and coupled sets have no access between the two halves. ICE3s
suffer a similar problem for different technical reasons. To solve this
would either require the safety regulations to be eased, to something
closer to those in place in other long tunnels in Europe (eg the Severn
tunnel, the various alpine tunnels &c.).

Both of these problems can only be rectified by changing the treaty
between the UK and France that allowed the tunnel to be built. While
not impossible, it would take a great deal of time and effort to make it
happen, and most discussion on these two newsgroups has come to the
conclusion that it is highly desirable from a railway perspective, it is
unlikely to happen any time soon.

Robin

St Pancras International
 

"R.C. Payne" wrote in message
...

2) Trains through the tunnel must meet very stringent safety requirements.
Probably the most awkward of these is the need to be able to didvide the
train to use part of the train to remove passengers so that a disabled and
dangerous half-set can be abandonned in the tunnel, and the passengers can
be evacuated. Conventional TGVs are indivisible sets, and coupled sets
have no access between the two halves. ICE3s suffer a similar problem for
different technical reasons. To solve this would either require the
safety regulations to be eased, to something closer to those in place in
other long tunnels in Europe (eg the Severn tunnel, the various alpine
tunnels &c.).

Both of these problems can only be rectified by changing the treaty
between the UK and France that allowed the tunnel to be built. While not
impossible, it would take a great deal of time and effort to make it
happen, and most discussion on these two newsgroups has come to the
conclusion that it is highly desirable from a railway perspective, it is
unlikely to happen any time soon.


Not forgetting that it suits Eurostar to have what is in effect a non tariff
barrier to competing new entrants to the cross channel route, so they aren't
likely to propose a relaxation of the standards. It will be interesting to
see eventually if that extends to buying high cost like for like
replacements for the existing trains, rather than 'off the shelf' units from
the then current range of TGV type trains.

Paul

St Pancras International
 

In article , Ar
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:22:32 +0100, MaxB scribed:

www.thebattens.me.uk/euro5(1040exwat).jpg

Still wondering what that scaffolding? is there for, looks like it's
hanging a net over the whole lot, looking at your picture.

Probably because the power lines above are being worked on.

Sam

St Pancras International
 

"Ar" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:22:32 +0100, MaxB scribed:

www.thebattens.me.uk/euro5(1040exwat).jpg

Still wondering what that scaffolding? is there for, looks like it's
hanging a net over the whole lot, looking at your picture. Anyway,
excellent pictures you got.

I got a video of the section here.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-NWCvM6IyGU

Thanks. The pictures would have been much better from that nice concrete
bridge!!

Yes, there is a matching scaffolding to the left with a net to catch the
wires if they fall !! There is a lot of building work going on on that side
but nets maybe a permanent feature.

Picture of the men climbing the pylon - this is the one on this side of the
track.

Regards,
MaxB

St Pancras International
 

On Jul 25, 11:57 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Both of these problems can only be rectified by changing the treaty
between the UK and France that allowed the tunnel to be built. While not
impossible, it would take a great deal of time and effort to make it
happen, and most discussion on these two newsgroups has come to the
conclusion that it is highly desirable from a railway perspective, it is
unlikely to happen any time soon.

Not forgetting that it suits Eurostar to have what is in effect a non tariff
barrier to competing new entrants to the cross channel route, so they aren't
likely to propose a relaxation of the standards. It will be interesting to
see eventually if that extends to buying high cost like for like
replacements for the existing trains, rather than 'off the shelf' units from
the then current range of TGV type trains.

We've since had EC Directives on interoperability. That is another
argument against maglev systems, especially those that use proprietary
technology, according to a report placed on the DfT website
yesterday. Possible implications for revising Tunnel regs?

St Pancras International
 

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:01:15 -0700 someone who may be EE507
wrote this:-

We've since had EC Directives on interoperability.

That is a good point. It could be argued that discriminating against
an operator over the type of train they have is illegal.

However, that would not deal with the so-called security claptrap
and the Little Englander officials.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

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On Jul 25, 7:17 am, David Hansen
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:01:15 -0700 someone who may be EE507

We've since had EC Directives on interoperability.

That is a good point.

As I've posted before, I suspect any high speed train in current
production in Europe such as a TGV or ICE meets todays UIC safety
standards which I would suggest are in excess of those determined for
the channel tunnel set 15 years ago.

All that would need doing is tweaking traction packs and power car /
motor coach permutations and power/trailer ratios to fit in with the
split half train concept (which might be questioned anyway). There is
no need to worry about specifics like TVM430 since TGV and some ICE
are clearly fitted with it already.

Other details are trivial.

--
Nick

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"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...
Reminder - bookings for Eurostar from St Pancras are now available via
their website

www.eurostar.com

Paul

On a more mundane note, anyone know when the pedestrian tunnel opens from
the MML platforms allowing access south to the tube station? Sick of getting
soaked!

St Pancras International
 

In message , at 07:38:59 on
Wed, 25 Jul 2007, A.Lee remarked:
What is the exit from Brussels like now?

Now that the "immigration" check for Belgium is done at Waterloo,
there's no queue to get off the platform, but often a queue for the
lifts down to the concourse. If you carry on past the lifts there's an
escalator (or maybe travelator, I forget which) down, which isn't
crowded, but dumps you quite a long way from anywhere you need to be,
necessitating a u-turn and walk back (a bit like MML at St Pancras at
the moment, but worse).

The only time I went, the queue seemed to go along half of the train,
and took around 40 minutes to get through the barrier, I only had a 1
hour connection, and needed to buy an onward ticket as well so was a bit
worried about getting it.

Was that when they were checking passports at Brussels?
--
Roland Perry

St Pancras International
 

On 25 Jul, 16:25, "MichaelJP" wrote:
On a more mundane note, anyone know when the pedestrian tunnel opens from
the MML platforms allowing access south to the tube station? Sick of getting
soaked!

There will be two routes from the MML concourse area to the
Underground:

1. A subway heading eastwards to the Northern Ticket Hall currently
under construction, and which will mainly serve the Vic/Pic/Northern
passengers

2. Southwards at street level inside the original St P trainshed to
the Western Ticket Hall, which will long-term mainly serve Met/Circle/
H&C passengers

The first route can't open properly until the new Northern Ticket Hall
is open. When the interim St P MML station opened a couple of years
ago the completed part of this subway, to the opposite side of Pancras
Road, was open for a little while. It was pretty useless however -
escalators to the concourse, but only stairs on Pancras Road - and it
was (is) much easier staying at street level.

The second route is through the construction zone in the trainshed,
past some of the shops, Eurostar departures/arrivals and ticket
office, so I wouldn't expect it to open until Eurostar starts on 14
November. To open any earlier would interfere with the inevitable last
minute fitting out works, a

The full plans (PDF) of the St Pancras International layout are on:
http://www.stpancras.com/content.asp?Contentid=311
and click the Retail Plan links.

Best Regards

St Pancras International
 

"EE507" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 25, 11:57 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Both of these problems can only be rectified by changing the treaty
between the UK and France that allowed the tunnel to be built. While
not
impossible, it would take a great deal of time and effort to make it
happen, and most discussion on these two newsgroups has come to the
conclusion that it is highly desirable from a railway perspective, it
is
unlikely to happen any time soon.

Not forgetting that it suits Eurostar to have what is in effect a non
tariff
barrier to competing new entrants to the cross channel route, so they
aren't
likely to propose a relaxation of the standards. It will be interesting
to
see eventually if that extends to buying high cost like for like
replacements for the existing trains, rather than 'off the shelf' units
from
the then current range of TGV type trains.

We've since had EC Directives on interoperability. That is another
argument against maglev systems, especially those that use proprietary
technology, according to a report placed on the DfT website
yesterday. Possible implications for revising Tunnel regs?


That's what I'm hinting at really - any revision of the regs is almost bound
to be led by a challenge under EU interoperability regs by a newcomer -
unless of course the EU bring the rules for any long distance tunnel into
line, which I guess has to be unlikely.

Paul

St Pancras International
 

In message , at 16:25:18
on Wed, 25 Jul 2007, MichaelJP remarked:
On a more mundane note, anyone know when the pedestrian tunnel opens from
the MML platforms allowing access south to the tube station? Sick of getting
soaked!

A few years I expect (when the northern ticket office opens).

Before then (not sure a date has been given, but probably before
November) you should be able to walk through the main shed (and past the
infamous Champagne bar) to the tube at the front of St Pancras.
--
Roland Perry