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On Oct 4, 3:43 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
Aha. Assuming passengers buy singles costing an average of 2.50 each
(Moorgate - Finsbury Park is 2.10, Moorgate - New Southgate is 3.10, so
this is ballpark right), that would need 68 000 passengers (ticket sales,
anyway) to break even. Over 52 weeks, that's 1308 people a week. That
sounds like quite a lot, but plausible.

The RUS actually has a full analysis:

Costs (Present Value)
Investment Cost 0.0
Operating Cost 1.7
Revenue -0.3
Other Government Impacts 0.0
Total costs 1.4
Benefi ts (Present Value)
Rail users benefi ts 0.5
Non users benefi ts 0.0
Total quantifi ed benefi ts 0.5
NPV -1.0
Quantifi ed BCR 0.3

Those are £millions over 10 years for the weeknight service only. So
they reckon it'll increase revenue by about £600/week, and values the
convenience gained at £1,000/week.

U

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Mr Thant wrote:

The RUS puts the cost of running all weeknight trains to Moorgate at
£170,000/year, mainly for extra staff to keep the line open.

Aha. Assuming passengers buy singles costing an average of 2.50 each
(Moorgate - Finsbury Park is 2.10, Moorgate - New Southgate is 3.10, so
this is ballpark right), that would need 68 000 passengers (ticket sales,
anyway) to break even. Over 52 weeks, that's 1308 people a week. That
sounds like quite a lot, but plausible.


But not as straightforward surely? What you are looking for is 68000 extra
passengers making new journies, a slightly more difficult requirement. What
proportion of your potential users are already travelling by another route,
or have already travelled earlier? And because the route is joint ticketed
with LU as far as Finsbury Park, FCC won't get all the revenue anyway...

Paul

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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:25:40 +0100, asdf
wrote:

IIRC, for a while the 0200 EUS-MKC on Saturday nights was only a train
as far as Watford Junction, where it turned into a bus, but it's now
back to being a train throughout.

Nope, or not according to the current SS timetable in front of me.
It's a bus throughout for the entire timetable period.

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On 4 Oct, 08:08, Martin Rich wrote:

There is some variation in stopping pattern north of Finsbury Park
during the peaks at least: some trains skipping Harringay and Hornsey
and a few running non-stop between Finsbury Park and Palmers Green.
Still, I can see that longer non-stop runs would be confusing,
especially as at present all trains stop at all stations along the
Northern City Line.

I know this is mainly about the currenty 313 stopping services, but
there's a provisional timetable on the FCC site that is showing how
the semi-fast inner/outer services may look from May 2008 or December
2008 (definitely the latter, possibly the former). One improvement at
peak times is the increase in 12-car formations.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/3aduw9

This will rely on FCC securing and refreshing the four or five 321s
they intend to get.

Also, the TL side will be getting nearly 30 Class 377s to improve
their services, which could also happen by December 2008 (just as
they'll have got ALL of the remaining 319s from Southern!). Expect
some changes on that side too.

Jonathan

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On 2 Oct, 21:42, "Clive D. W. Feather" cl...@on-the-
train.demon.co.uk wrote:
In article , Mark Brader
writes

How much time does that save over running in service?
12.5 minutes.
[Moorgate to WGC: 46 minutes in service, 33.5 minutes ECS.]
What if they ran back in service, but nonstop?

I suspect the number of passengers wanting to go end-to-end contra-peak
is tiny compared with the confusion caused by having just two or three
non-stop services in an otherwise clockface timetable.

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In the morning peak three services start from Gordon Hill (last
station in Greater London, I think). If this is done in the evening
peak then the time difference between an ECS from Hertford and an in-
service train from Gordon Hill is zero. Only problem is then for
Cuffley and Hertford North passengers (Crews Hill is skipped by one in
three trains in the peak anyway). Not as big a deal as they would only
be down to four an hour.

IMHO the problem within Londonstems from running too many trains
through to Stevenage & Letchworth. Stevenage is fair enough, but
better connections from their to Letchworth branch would save 30 mins
per trip.

What you're all missing here is that people do use contra-flow trains
to get to work. Nowhere near the same number of people use the contra-
flow services, but can you blame them? If you need to get to work and
one of the half hourlies is cancelled you're f****d.