MIG wrote:
On 18 Oct, 12:41, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"lonelytraveller" wrote in
ooglegroups.com...

On 17 Oct, 18:36, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Its not easy to summarise, this RUS being 200 odd pages, but it looks
like
they want the capacity at the terminii to allow increased frequency on
existing longer distnce routes into LB and/or VIC, even before bringing
Thameslink into teh equation. As you say, Ken also wants this route for
Orbirail, so the objectors are going to have a lot of work on...
Paul
Is there any particular reason that the objecting people don't want to
travel via extended East London Line, and change at Canada water onto
the Jubilee line?

Because it will take half an hour longer?

That's not really true, and can be checked using Journey Planner quite
easily. The main issue with London Bridge is that if you are travelling
on to anywhere else other than the immediate vicinity, the interchange
penalty from train - Tube or vice versa is pretty high; 7 minutes is
what the Journey Planner offers, which is tight (particularly in the
outbound direction where you are aiming to catch a train that leaves
every 10-20 mins).

You can compare a bunch of journey times from New Cross Gate to key
destinations via both London Bridge and via the existing ELL service to
show why diverting people via the ELL is actually not a huge hardship
(for other stations on the ELLX, just add the appropriate amount of
minutes; and remember that the ELL service will be 8tph x 4 cars to
Sydenham plus another 4tph rail x 6-8 cars to London Bridge (i.e. up to
64 cars per hour) whereas the current rail service is up to 6tph x 6-8
cars (i.e. up to 48 cars per hour).

London Bridge: via ELL, 15 mins; via rail, 11 mins
Canary Wharf: via ELL, 12 mins; via rail, 22 mins
Victoria: via ELL, 29 mins; via rail, 31 mins
Charing Cross: via ELL, 26 mins (Canada Water / Waterloo); via rail, 25 mins
Oxford Circus: via ELL, 29 mins (via C Wtr / Bond St); via rail, 30 mins
(via L Bridge / Bond St)
Tottenham Court Road: via ELL, 29 mins (via C Wtr / Waterloo); via rail,
31 mins (via L Bridge / Bond St)
Bank: via ELL, 20 mins (via Shadwell); via rail, 22 mins (fast walk from
L Bridge)
Liverpool Street: via ELL, 19 mins; via rail, 31 mins (bus from L Bridge)
King's Cross: via ELL, 30 mins; via rail, 30 mins

Dave