I have a 9 am start in Tolworth on Friday. Given the price of a Peak
Travelcard from Cambridge and so I don't have to get up so early, staying
in Putney at my mother's seems the best. But ticketing seems confused.

I have a choice of a Saver Return to King's Cross at £16.50 (with Network
Card discount) plus £1.50 Oyster (after 19:00) or £19.15 for a Saver to
Zones 1 & 2 which would get me to East Putney on Thursday night. I can't
use either of these on Friday morning to get to Tolworth because (a) it
will be the next day and (b) it will be before 10am so the Network Card
won't be valid.

So I can get a single from East Putney to Tolworth for £3.80 or from
Putney to Tolworth (via Clapham Junction) for £2.90. Why such an enormous
(in percentage terms) premium for the shorter route via LU?

For the return I seem to have a choice of Tolworth to Clapham Junction at
£2.70 with the Zones 1 & 2 Saver or Tolworth to Vauxhall at £3.80,
followed by Zone 1 Oyster at £1.50, with the King's Cross Saver.

So the alternative totals for King's Cross and Zones 1 & 2 savers seem to
be £16.50+£1.50+£2.70+£3.60+£1.50=£25.80 and £19.15+£2.70+£2.70=£24.55,
assuming I go from Putney to Tolworth via Clapham Jcn. Perhaps the
Putney-Tolworth and Tolworth-Clapham Jcn singles could be a
Putney-Tolworth return at £4.70, saving 70p and reducing the Zones 1 & 2
saver total to £23.85. I assume a Putney-Tolworth return wouldn't be
valid to Vauxhall on the return leg, despite it also being in Zone 2?

Or have I got this all wrong?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

I have a 9 am start in Tolworth on Friday. Given the price of a Peak
Travelcard from Cambridge and so I don't have to get up so early,
staying in Putney at my mother's seems the best. But ticketing seems
confused.

I have a choice of a Saver Return to King's Cross at £16.50 (with
Network Card discount) plus £1.50 Oyster (after 19:00) or £19.15 for a
Saver to Zones 1 & 2 which would get me to East Putney on Thursday
night. I can't use either of these on Friday morning to get to
Tolworth because (a) it will be the next day and (b) it will be
before 10am so the Network Card won't be valid.

So I can get a single from East Putney to Tolworth for £3.80 or from
Putney to Tolworth (via Clapham Junction) for £2.90. Why such an
enormous (in percentage terms) premium for the shorter route via LU?

For the return I seem to have a choice of Tolworth to Clapham Junction
at £2.70 with the Zones 1 & 2 Saver or Tolworth to Vauxhall at £3.80,
followed by Zone 1 Oyster at £1.50, with the King's Cross Saver.

So the alternative totals for King's Cross and Zones 1 & 2 savers seem
to be £16.50+£1.50+£2.70+£3.60+£1.50=£25.80 and
£19.15+£2.70+£2.70=£24.55, assuming I go from Putney to Tolworth via
Clapham Jcn. Perhaps the Putney-Tolworth and Tolworth-Clapham Jcn
singles could be a Putney-Tolworth return at £4.70, saving 70p and
reducing the Zones 1 & 2 saver total to £23.85. I assume a
Putney-Tolworth return wouldn't be valid to Vauxhall on the return
leg, despite it also being in Zone 2?

Or have I got this all wrong?

No-one? I'm most surprised the fare from East Putney is so high.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:31 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), Colin Rosenstiel
wrote:

So I can get a single from East Putney to Tolworth for £3.80 or from
Putney to Tolworth (via Clapham Junction) for £2.90. Why such an
enormous (in percentage terms) premium for the shorter route via LU?

No-one? I'm most surprised the fare from East Putney is so high.

It's because there's a change of modes involved. Fares for through
LU-NR (or vice versa) journeys have for a long time been more
expensive than similar journeys that just use LU or NR - it used to be
simply the price of the two separate journey legs added together. The
new zonal Train Tube Fares were introduced a couple of years back, but
these merely continued the trend (they are more expensive than
straight Tube paper tickets, which are themselves priced at 'punitive'
levels).

In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:31 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), Colin Rosenstiel
wrote:

So I can get a single from East Putney to Tolworth for £3.80 or from
Putney to Tolworth (via Clapham Junction) for £2.90. Why such an
enormous (in percentage terms) premium for the shorter route via LU?

No-one? I'm most surprised the fare from East Putney is so high.

It's because there's a change of modes involved. Fares for through
LU-NR (or vice versa) journeys have for a long time been more
expensive than similar journeys that just use LU or NR - it used to be
simply the price of the two separate journey legs added together. The
new zonal Train Tube Fares were introduced a couple of years back, but
these merely continued the trend (they are more expensive than straight
Tube paper tickets, which are themselves priced at 'punitive' levels).

Ouch! I thought they were supposed to have moved towards zonal fares on
NR last January?

Was there an answer to the other question, BTW? Anyone know?

Perhaps the Putney-Tolworth and Tolworth-Clapham Jcn singles could be a
Putney-Tolworth return at £4.70, saving 70p and reducing the Zones 1 &
2
saver total to £23.85. I assume a Putney-Tolworth return wouldn't be
valid to Vauxhall on the return leg, despite it also being in Zone 2?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:32 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), Colin Rosenstiel
wrote:

No-one? I'm most surprised the fare from East Putney is so high.

It's because there's a change of modes involved. Fares for through
LU-NR (or vice versa) journeys have for a long time been more
expensive than similar journeys that just use LU or NR - it used to be
simply the price of the two separate journey legs added together. The
new zonal Train Tube Fares were introduced a couple of years back, but
these merely continued the trend (they are more expensive than straight
Tube paper tickets, which are themselves priced at 'punitive' levels).

Ouch! I thought they were supposed to have moved towards zonal fares on
NR last January?

They did, but that doesn't seem to have affected the price of Train
Tube Fares yet.

Was there an answer to the other question, BTW? Anyone know?

Perhaps the Putney-Tolworth and Tolworth-Clapham Jcn singles could be a
Putney-Tolworth return at £4.70, saving 70p and reducing the Zones 1 &
2
saver total to £23.85. I assume a Putney-Tolworth return wouldn't be
valid to Vauxhall on the return leg, despite it also being in Zone 2?

Correct. NR singles and returns within the zones are priced zonally,
but still issued as point-to-point tickets, with the same validity as
before.

In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:32 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), Colin
Rosenstiel wrote:

No-one? I'm most surprised the fare from East Putney is so high.

It's because there's a change of modes involved. Fares for through
LU-NR (or vice versa) journeys have for a long time been more
expensive than similar journeys that just use LU or NR - it used to
be simply the price of the two separate journey legs added together.

The new zonal Train Tube Fares were introduced a couple of years
back, but these merely continued the trend (they are more
expensive than straight Tube paper tickets, which are themselves
priced at 'punitive' levels).

Ouch! I thought they were supposed to have moved towards zonal
fares on NR last January?

They did, but that doesn't seem to have affected the price of Train
Tube Fares yet.

Was there an answer to the other question, BTW? Anyone know?

Perhaps the Putney-Tolworth and Tolworth-Clapham Jcn singles
could be a Putney-Tolworth return at £4.70, saving 70p and
reducing the Zones 1 & 2 saver total to £23.85. I assume a
Putney-Tolworth return wouldn't be valid to Vauxhall on the return
leg, despite it also being in Zone 2?

Correct. NR singles and returns within the zones are priced zonally,
but still issued as point-to-point tickets, with the same validity
as before.

I got round that problem by buying a Cambridge-Putney saver. Cost an
extra quid over a Cambridge-East Putney (actually to U12) saver but
covered Clapham Jcn-Waterloo OK. Not that SWT checked anything, other
than the gates at Putney.

When did tube+NR fares get such a hike? It's punitive now for journeys
through Wimbledon.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), Colin Rosenstiel
wrote:

When did tube+NR fares get such a hike? It's punitive now for journeys
through Wimbledon.

The current system was introduced in the Jan 2006 fares revision (the
same time as the 'punitive' Tube paper singles). Though AFAIK, prior
to that they were just the price of the separate Tube and NR legs
added together, so still pretty expensive.

In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), Colin
Rosenstiel wrote:

When did tube+NR fares get such a hike? It's punitive now for
journeys through Wimbledon.

The current system was introduced in the Jan 2006 fares revision (the
same time as the 'punitive' Tube paper singles). Though AFAIK, prior
to that they were just the price of the separate Tube and NR legs
added together, so still pretty expensive.

They weren't always thus I'm sure. There were through fares to the
Southern, presumably going back to the days when they owned the
District's Wimbledon Line. It is ridiculous to have to go from Putney via
Clapham Junction to avid the rip-off. This will presumably go when proper
zonal fares are finally adopted.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:51 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(asdf) wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), Colin
Rosenstiel wrote:

When did tube+NR fares get such a hike? It's punitive now for
journeys through Wimbledon.

The current system was introduced in the Jan 2006 fares revision (the
same time as the 'punitive' Tube paper singles). Though AFAIK, prior
to that they were just the price of the separate Tube and NR legs
added together, so still pretty expensive.

They weren't always thus I'm sure. There were through fares to the
Southern, presumably going back to the days when they owned the
District's Wimbledon Line. It is ridiculous to have to go from Putney via
Clapham Junction to avid the rip-off. This will presumably go when proper
zonal fares are finally adopted.

I have in front of me two tickets. Both FCC Only.

1. STD SNR CDR Hassocks-London terminals £9.90
2. SDTD SNR ODTC Hassocks-R1256 £10.55

Extra cost for a Senior Railcard Holder 65p.

That's a CDR Hassocks-Coulsdon South plus a ODTC in effect.
--
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:01:04 +0000, Terry Harper wrote:

When did tube+NR fares get such a hike? It's punitive now for
journeys through Wimbledon.

The current system was introduced in the Jan 2006 fares revision (the
same time as the 'punitive' Tube paper singles). Though AFAIK, prior
to that they were just the price of the separate Tube and NR legs
added together, so still pretty expensive.

They weren't always thus I'm sure. There were through fares to the
Southern, presumably going back to the days when they owned the
District's Wimbledon Line. It is ridiculous to have to go from Putney via
Clapham Junction to avid the rip-off. This will presumably go when proper
zonal fares are finally adopted.

I have in front of me two tickets. Both FCC Only.

1. STD SNR CDR Hassocks-London terminals £9.90
2. SDTD SNR ODTC Hassocks-R1256 £10.55

Extra cost for a Senior Railcard Holder 65p.

That's a CDR Hassocks-Coulsdon South plus a ODTC in effect.

That's a Travelcard, though; what we were talking about applies to
singles and returns. Try comparing with a ticket to U1256 rather than
R1256.