On 25 Nov, 11:19, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:57:37 +0000, Mike Roberts

wrote:
Hi all, I have lurked her often but only once, a long time ago felt the
need to post anything. However perhaps someone here can help me with the
TfL Journey Planner.

To get it to start route at my house I have to type in a carefully
edited version of my address. It then give me a choice, the first of
which is my address (in its own format). When I type in my address in
the JP Format it offers me a list of places not including my own address.

I have searched the TfL web site but can't find contact details for the
JP maintenance team. Can anyone out there help me, it is frustrating
that the JP does not retain my address for future use.

I'd just use the standard TfL contact page via this link

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/contact/default.asp?type=tfl

Journey Planner is a TfL system so pitching your query to TfL, rather
than one of the modes, seems the most sensible option.
--
Paul C

The normal JP URL is...
http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...T2?language=en

Take away the language specification...
http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use..._TRIP_REQUEST2
....and it's all in Deutsch.

Discovering that the JP system appears to be of a German design is no
great surprise, given that their enlightened transport policies would
encourage such developments, but can anyone say which company makes
this software, and are they contracted by TfL to run the whole JP
service as well (i.e. input the data, make changes etc) or is some of
that done in-house by TfL IT people?

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:32:20 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:

Take away the language specification...
http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use..._TRIP_REQUEST2
...and it's all in Deutsch.

I get 404 with that URL...

Neil

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but can anyone say which company makes this software

http://www.mentzdv.de/

On 25 Nov, 15:40, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:32:20 -0800 (PST), Mizter T

wrote:
Take away the language specification...
http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use..._TRIP_REQUEST2
...and it's all in Deutsch.

I get 404 with that URL...


As do I. Apologies, I omitted the crucial final "?" as follows:

http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...TRIP_REQUEST2?

On 25 Nov, 15:50, Martin Krieger wrote:
but can anyone say which company makes this software

http://www.mentzdv.de/

Thanks, I'll take a proper look at that site later. I did just note
this piece from the news section...
http://www.mentzdv.de/index.php?id=229#c7363

....which mentions the IJP cockpit (the control panel) being adjusted
by the TfL Technical Manager so as to give three results rather than
four at a time when the system was being heavily used during the
Metronet strike.

I liked the idea that "Mild chaos broke out in the tube as a result of
the absent personnel", though I don't think they've quite got the
resolution of the strike right! -
"The transport strike lasted into the next day (Sept. 4, 2007) until
employers agreed to union demands for pension compensation."

Currently at the top of that page there is mention of an international
IJP workshop called "Real Time", organised by TfL - so it seems that
TfL are well stuck in there when it comes to helping to develop the
IJP product with the help of their operational knowledge.

Mizter T wrote

I think the TfL JP can be quite helpful, and is constantly gradually
being improved, but it's best to take the results with a pinch of
salt.

I certainly find the South East journey planner less likely to give
weird results - though most of my journeys are on the outskirts of
Greater London.

http://www.travelinesoutheast.org.uk..._TRIP_REQUEST2

On the "it's quicker to walk" front I recently pointed out to the SE JP
maintainers that suggeating getting off a (non-Tfl) bus at Kingston
rail station in order to walk to Cromwell Road bus station when that
was the bus's next stop was ... odd - they blamed it on the Tfl
supplied information. I suppose it could be a correct decision at some
times of day.

--
Mike D

Mizter T wrote

I think the TfL JP can be quite helpful, and is constantly gradually
being improved, but it's best to take the results with a pinch of

salt.

What frustrates me most at the moment is its insistence on checking
exactly what you meant. If I typed New Cross, and selected the
'Station or stop' button, chances are I want New Cross station, and
not New Cross Gate Sainsbury's or New Malden/Holy Cross School or
numerous junctions on New Cross Road.

http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...TRIP_REQUEST2?

Wow! Nice bit of sloppy programming - they did not even bothered to
set correct default if the query is missing :-|
Not to mention that 404 error if there is not query string is even
worse...

On 25 Nov, 23:14, SamB wrote:
Mizter T wrote

I think the TfL JP can be quite helpful, and is constantly gradually
being improved, but it's best to take the results with a pinch of

salt.

What frustrates me most at the moment is its insistence on checking
exactly what you meant. If I typed New Cross, and selected the
'Station or stop' button, chances are I want New Cross station, and
not New Cross Gate Sainsbury's or New Malden/Holy Cross School or
numerous junctions on New Cross Road.


Type in "New Cross station" and you'll avoid this problem.

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007, alex_t wrote:

http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...TRIP_REQUEST2?

Wow! Nice bit of sloppy programming - they did not even bothered to set
correct default if the query is missing :-| Not to mention that 404
error if there is not query string is even worse...

That's particularly weird. The splitting of the URL into path and query
string is usually done by the webserver (or application server or
whatever), which would almost certainly get this simple case right. That
it's got wrong suggests that the journey planner is written around a
custom webserver, which is a significantly dubious design decision.

Examination of the headers reveals:

Server: EFAServer/9.14.5.14

I've not been able to find out exactly what EFAServer is, but google hits
strongly suggest that it's German!

Oh no, hang on; i don't read foreign, but according to the gist of this:

http://www.mentzdv.de/uploads/media/...ll_II_2007.pdf

EFA seems to be the name of the software platform used to run the Journey
Planner. So yes, the webserver is a custom part. Eek!

tom

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