On Nov 27, 8:32 am, Mr Thant
wrote:

Yes. I've just dug up the planning application:http://tinyurl.com/2l2er3

It shows 4 platforms - two islands with through lines on the outside,
two bays on the inside (like Willesden Junction low level). It also
shows the large scale bus interchange, shopping centre and mid-rise
residential development their building above.

(the "Other" link goes to a detailed planning brief, though the
"Drawing" document has more and better quality diagrams)

Thanks for that - use of air rights, Hong Kong style, to develop the
area above the station will I suppose help to pay for the extension
and interchange and kick start regeneration. Pity it is just square
box architecture but you can't have everything. Are there any signs of
movement on the ground - I assume the viaduct restoration is
continuing to progress?. Are the new bridges replacing those were
removed in place yet? As yet the route has not attracted significant
photographic interest apart from the superb panoramic shot in the
November 2007 edition of Modern Railways.

On 27 Nov, 10:22, Mwmbwls wrote:
On Nov 27, 8:32 am, Mr Thant
wrote:

Yes. I've just dug up the planning application:http://tinyurl.com/2l2er3

It shows 4 platforms - two islands with through lines on the outside,
two bays on the inside (like Willesden Junction low level). It also
shows the large scale bus interchange, shopping centre and mid-rise
residential development their building above.

(the "Other" link goes to a detailed planning brief, though the
"Drawing" document has more and better quality diagrams)

Thanks for that - use of air rights, Hong Kong style, to develop the
area above the station will I suppose help to pay for the extension
and interchange and kick start regeneration. Pity it is just square
box architecture but you can't have everything. Are there any signs of
movement on the ground - I assume the viaduct restoration is
continuing to progress?. Are the new bridges replacing those were
removed in place yet? As yet the route has not attracted significant
photographic interest apart from the superb panoramic shot in the
November 2007 edition of Modern Railways.


The new bridges are all in place north of the Kingsland Road bridge,
which has itself been extensively renovated. The new bridges includes
a new bow string arch bridge over the Regent's Canal:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albedo/281827650/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/markle1/288550361/

The bridge taking the line over Shoreditch High Street from the
Bishopsgate goods yard site on the east to join the old alignment out
of Broad Street on the west side hasn't been put in place yet. There
is however much preparatory work going on on the west side, with part
of the viaduct being knocked down so as to receive the line from the
bridge. There's also loads of work going on on the Bishopsgate goods
yard site, the future location of Shoreditch High Street station.

Work at Dalston Junction has also been continuing apace, but it's
pretty hidden behind hoardings - you need the elevation of the top
deck of a bus or standing on a bicycle to get a look at what's
happening. There's no sign of the flats going up above Dalston
Junction station yet, apart from on the hoardings - not everyone is
pleased (and I can't say the flats look architecturally stunning from
this either):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tims/456357853/

The route might not have attracted significant photographic interest
from railway enthusiasts, but I'm sure that a good few of the creative
types that inhabit Shoreditch and the surrounds will have been
photographically recording the changes to the neighbourhood.

"Mizter T" wrote in message
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On 27 Nov, 10:22, Mwmbwls wrote:
On Nov 27, 8:32 am, Mr Thant
wrote:

Yes. I've just dug up the planning
application:http://tinyurl.com/2l2er3

It shows 4 platforms - two islands with through lines on the outside,
two bays on the inside (like Willesden Junction low level). It also
shows the large scale bus interchange, shopping centre and mid-rise
residential development their building above.

(the "Other" link goes to a detailed planning brief, though the
"Drawing" document has more and better quality diagrams)

Thanks for that - use of air rights, Hong Kong style, to develop the
area above the station will I suppose help to pay for the extension
and interchange and kick start regeneration. Pity it is just square
box architecture but you can't have everything. Are there any signs of
movement on the ground - I assume the viaduct restoration is
continuing to progress?. Are the new bridges replacing those were
removed in place yet? As yet the route has not attracted significant
photographic interest apart from the superb panoramic shot in the
November 2007 edition of Modern Railways.


The new bridges are all in place north of the Kingsland Road bridge,
which has itself been extensively renovated. The new bridges includes
a new bow string arch bridge over the Regent's Canal:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albedo/281827650/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/markle1/288550361/


Famously announced by TfL as the first ever bow string bridge on the railway
network - total & utter bo##ocks of course...

Paul

Found this on the web:

http://www.londontravelwatch.org.uk/document/2923/get

Page 14

December 2010
NLL / WLL :
4tph from Richmond to Stratford (Mondays to Sundays)
2tph from Stratford to Camden Road (Mondays to Sundays)
2tph from Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction (Mondays to Sundays)
2tph from Clapham Junction to Stratford (Mondays to Sundays) (inc 1
Southern train)
Also :
4tph GOB (Mondays to Sundays)
3tph Watford DC (Mondays to Sundays) (Bakerloo runs 6 tph to Harrow)




(Also, for crossrail

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...nse_141107.pdf

Pages 32 to 35: Service pattern on the Great Western, what trains
stop where, etc.

On 27 Nov, 11:59, wrote:
Found this on the web:

http://www.londontravelwatch.org.uk/document/2923/get

Page 14

December 2010
NLL / WLL :
4tph from Richmond to Stratford (Mondays to Sundays)
2tph from Stratford to Camden Road (Mondays to Sundays)
2tph from Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction (Mondays to Sundays)
2tph from Clapham Junction to Stratford (Mondays to Sundays) (inc 1
Southern train)
Also :
4tph GOB (Mondays to Sundays)
3tph Watford DC (Mondays to Sundays) (Bakerloo runs 6 tph to Harrow)


Interesting, I wonder how the ELLX trains will fit in, as
tantalisingly that's the projected position in December but it could
all change the month after that - as the text goes on to state "The
East London line link to Highbury & Islington would open in January
2011".

Incidentally there's a lot more information concerning the
possibilities of running Southern trains up the WLL in the draft South
London RUS.

"Mizter T" wrote in message
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On 27 Nov, 11:59, wrote:
Found this on the web:

http://www.londontravelwatch.org.uk/document/2923/get

Page 14

December 2010
NLL / WLL :
4tph from Richmond to Stratford (Mondays to Sundays)
2tph from Stratford to Camden Road (Mondays to Sundays)
2tph from Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction (Mondays to Sundays)
2tph from Clapham Junction to Stratford (Mondays to Sundays) (inc 1
Southern train)
Also :
4tph GOB (Mondays to Sundays)
3tph Watford DC (Mondays to Sundays) (Bakerloo runs 6 tph to Harrow)


Interesting, I wonder how the ELLX trains will fit in, as
tantalisingly that's the projected position in December but it could
all change the month after that - as the text goes on to state "The
East London line link to Highbury & Islington would open in January
2011".


As we've discussed up thread, the ELLX trains don't need to fit in, because
they will have their own dedicated southern pair of tracks to H&I...

There are also options around to have DMUs running from Barking to Clapham
Junction, which is possibly why they are suggesting a turnback at Camden Rd,
that way it thins out the service beyond Gospel Oak on the NLL, to allow the
paths to be taken up by units from the GOB.

Southern trains to Stratford I think is a typo, I suspect they've possibly
misinterpreted something about the WLL, as things stand I suspect Southern
are more interested in (re)extending beyond Watford Junction, latest idea
(from Modern Rail) is to Milton Keynes, which is getting a new bay platform.

Paul

On 27 Nov, 11:59, wrote:
December 2010
NLL / WLL :
4tph from Richmond to Stratford (Mondays to Sundays)
2tph from Stratford to Camden Road (Mondays to Sundays)
2tph from Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction (Mondays to Sundays)
2tph from Clapham Junction to Stratford (Mondays to Sundays) (inc 1
Southern train)
Also :
4tph GOB (Mondays to Sundays)
3tph Watford DC (Mondays to Sundays) (Bakerloo runs 6 tph to Harrow)

Gosh, that's excellent info. We haven't heard anything much concrete
on this topic for a long time. They're basically confirming the
Bakerloo re-extension is a long term project - it would make sense to
do it at the same time as the 2019 upgrade or the possibly-happening
southern extension. Also, through running of the Goblin is apparently
as dead as its electrification.

Is the "inc 1 Southern" to Stratford a mistake, or something new?

U

--
http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
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"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

The new bridges are all in place north of the Kingsland Road bridge,
which has itself been extensively renovated. The new bridges includes
a new bow string arch bridge over the Regent's Canal:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albedo/281827650/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/markle1/288550361/


Famously announced by TfL as the first ever bow string bridge on the
railway network - total & utter bo##ocks of course...


I now realise (from a recent post) this may have been announced by a TfL
'span doctor'...

(Fetches coat...)

Paul S

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
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"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

The new bridges are all in place north of the Kingsland Road bridge,
which has itself been extensively renovated. The new bridges includes
a new bow string arch bridge over the Regent's Canal:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albedo/281827650/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/markle1/288550361/

Famously announced by TfL as the first ever bow string bridge on the
railway network - total & utter bo##ocks of course...

I now realise (from a recent post) this may have been announced by a TfL
'span doctor'...

You really are being quite a spanner today, Paul ...

tom

--
Caps lock is like cruise control for cool.

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:04:01 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

The new bridges are all in place north of the Kingsland Road bridge,
which has itself been extensively renovated. The new bridges includes
a new bow string arch bridge over the Regent's Canal:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albedo/281827650/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/markle1/288550361/

Famously announced by TfL as the first ever bow string bridge on the
railway network - total & utter bo##ocks of course...

I now realise (from a recent post) this may have been announced by a TfL
'span doctor'...

You really are being quite a spanner today, Paul ...

He fits well with all the transport nuts here.