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Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms are too
narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre and therefore looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt before opening! "Standing at HN28 signal" wrote in message ... All listed in the new GBPTT available on the Network Rail website: Eastfields has this footnote: This station may open during the currency of this timetable, please see local publicity for further details. Imperial Wharf and Shepherds Bush have this one: It is unknown at the time of going to press, when this station will open. For further details please contact National Rail Enquiries 08457-484950 or see local publicity. I did hear a rumour that Shepherds Bush will open on Dec 10th 2007 but not sure if this is actually going to happen! |
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Eastfields(it will probably be called Mitcham Eastfields) will be
opening at the start of the June timetable. Martin Whelton On 5 Dec, 18:44, "Steve" wrote: Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms are too narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre and therefore looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt before opening! "Standing at HN28 signal" wrote in ... All listed in the new GBPTT available on the Network Rail website: Eastfields has this footnote: This station may open during the currency of this timetable, please see local publicity for further details. Imperial Wharf and Shepherds Bush have this one: It is unknown at the time of going to press, when this station will open. For further details please contact National Rail Enquiries 08457-484950 or see local publicity. I did hear a rumour that Shepherds Bush will open on Dec 10th 2007 but not sure if this is actually going to happen!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On 5 Dec, 18:44, "Steve" wrote:
Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms are too narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre and therefore looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt before opening! The plan appears to be to move the streetlamps and hope the H&S people make an exception, rather than a rebuild. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....8393fd5caa27f0 There was no sign of any progress when I went to have a look a week or two ago. TfL told me "by the end of the year" in a recent email. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
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Steve wrote:
Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms are too narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre and therefore looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt before opening! So what's their reason for not opening the other platform? South Greenford operated as a one-way station for a year or two after one of the platforms went bungee jumping, and the Sudbury Picc stations were both one-way for a while during platform rebuilding. Not ideal, but better than a shut station... unless they are concerned that a one-way station on the maps for six months will bring a lot more embarrassing publicity than a shut station, and feigning competence is more important than helping the public get around. |
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:57:01 -0000, "John Rowland"
wrote: Steve wrote: Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms are too narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre and therefore looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt before opening! So what's their reason for not opening the other platform? South Greenford operated as a one-way station for a year or two after one of the platforms went bungee jumping, and the Sudbury Picc stations were both one-way for a while during platform rebuilding. Not ideal, but better than a shut station... unless they are concerned that a one-way station on the maps for six months will bring a lot more embarrassing publicity than a shut station, and feigning competence is more important than helping the public get around. I think the difference is that Shepherds Bush is a new station and must meet mandated standards before Works, Plant and Equipment (statutory safety) approval can be granted thus allowing public use. Let's be frank - the platform width issue at SB is a right royal cock up by several parties who have duties under Construction Design Management regulations to design correctly or to seek assurance or to grant approvals. Quite how three key activities were mucked up to this extent would make an interesting story. The other examples you quote are of places that effectively have grandfather rights exemption from complying with current standards. The use of one way systems at such sites are just a pragmatic way of managing disruption while works are undertaken to repair damage or replace worn out assets. These new works at existing locations would have to demonstrate compliance with applicable rules (subject to any concessions to standards that might have been granted). -- Paul C |
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Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:57:01 -0000, "John Rowland" wrote: Steve wrote: Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms are too narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre and therefore looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt before opening! So what's their reason for not opening the other platform? South Greenford operated as a one-way station for a year or two after one of the platforms went bungee jumping, and the Sudbury Picc stations were both one-way for a while during platform rebuilding. Not ideal, but better than a shut station... unless they are concerned that a one-way station on the maps for six months will bring a lot more embarrassing publicity than a shut station, and feigning competence is more important than helping the public get around. I think the difference is that Shepherds Bush is a new station and must meet mandated standards before Works, Plant and Equipment (statutory safety) approval can be granted thus allowing public use. Let's be frank - the platform width issue at SB is a right royal cock up by several parties who have duties under Construction Design Management regulations to design correctly or to seek assurance or to grant approvals. Quite how three key activities were mucked up to this extent would make an interesting story. The other examples you quote are of places that effectively have grandfather rights exemption from complying with current standards. The use of one way systems at such sites are just a pragmatic way of managing disruption while works are undertaken to repair damage or replace worn out assets. These new works at existing locations would have to demonstrate compliance with applicable rules (subject to any concessions to standards that might have been granted). I find it hard to believe that opening a new one-way station now and making it two-way sixths months later would be illegal. |
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On 5 Dec, 21:25, "John Rowland"
wrote: Paul Corfield wrote: On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:57:01 -0000, "John Rowland" wrote: Steve wrote: Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms are too narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre and therefore looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt before opening! So what's their reason for not opening the other platform? South Greenford operated as a one-way station for a year or two after one of the platforms went bungee jumping, and the Sudbury Picc stations were both one-way for a while during platform rebuilding. Not ideal, but better than a shut station... unless they are concerned that a one-way station on the maps for six months will bring a lot more embarrassing publicity than a shut station, and feigning competence is more important than helping the public get around. I think the difference is that Shepherds Bush is a new station and must meet mandated standards before Works, Plant and Equipment (statutory safety) approval can be granted thus allowing public use. Let's be frank - the platform width issue at SB is a right royal cock up by several parties who have duties under Construction Design Management regulations to design correctly or to seek assurance or to grant approvals. Quite how three key activities were mucked up to this extent would make an interesting story. The other examples you quote are of places that effectively have grandfather rights exemption from complying with current standards. The use of one way systems at such sites are just a pragmatic way of managing disruption while works are undertaken to repair damage or replace worn out assets. These new works at existing locations would have to demonstrate compliance with applicable rules (subject to any concessions to standards that might have been granted). I find it hard to believe that opening a new one-way station now and making it two-way sixths months later would be illegal. Unlawful is probably the word you are looking for. Regardless of the legal situation half opening a new station for one- way travel only would cause a lot of confusion and annoyance - passengers could get there, but not back again. |
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Mizter T wrote:
On 5 Dec, 21:25, "John Rowland" wrote: I find it hard to believe that opening a new one-way station now and making it two-way sixths months later would be illegal. Unlawful is probably the word you are looking for. Regardless of the legal situation half opening a new station for one- way travel only would cause a lot of confusion and annoyance - passengers could get there, but not back again. No, they'd just have to use the Central Line to get back. Their journey would be more convenient in one direction than the other, whereas now it's inconvenient in both directions. No-one would force them to use the new platform, so they could take the long way around in both directions if that annoyed them less. Anyone who lives or works near a one-way system and uses buses might already have a much more convenient journey in one direction than the other. The best driving route from A to B in the morning is not that likely to be the same as the best route back in the evening. When I lived on an extremely steep hill in Sheffield, I used to walk down the hill every morning to catch a single bus route to work. In the evening I would catch the same bus route back as far as the town centre, where I would change to a different route which would take me to the top of the hill so I would walk down to my flat. Although all the bus routes were two-way, my route was a lot less effort than doing the same route in both directions. It didn't confuse or annoy me. |
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:25:46 -0000, "John Rowland"
wrote: Paul Corfield wrote: On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:57:01 -0000, "John Rowland" wrote: Steve wrote: Shepherds Bush won't be opening any time soon. Seems the platforms are too narrow to allow for all the shoppers in the Westfield centre and therefore looks like it might have to be demolished and rebuilt before opening! So what's their reason for not opening the other platform? South Greenford operated as a one-way station for a year or two after one of the platforms went bungee jumping, and the Sudbury Picc stations were both one-way for a while during platform rebuilding. Not ideal, but better than a shut station... unless they are concerned that a one-way station on the maps for six months will bring a lot more embarrassing publicity than a shut station, and feigning competence is more important than helping the public get around. I think the difference is that Shepherds Bush is a new station and must meet mandated standards before Works, Plant and Equipment (statutory safety) approval can be granted thus allowing public use. Let's be frank - the platform width issue at SB is a right royal cock up by several parties who have duties under Construction Design Management regulations to design correctly or to seek assurance or to grant approvals. Quite how three key activities were mucked up to this extent would make an interesting story. The other examples you quote are of places that effectively have grandfather rights exemption from complying with current standards. The use of one way systems at such sites are just a pragmatic way of managing disruption while works are undertaken to repair damage or replace worn out assets. These new works at existing locations would have to demonstrate compliance with applicable rules (subject to any concessions to standards that might have been granted). I find it hard to believe that opening a new one-way station now and making it two-way sixths months later would be illegal. With the present (overground) timetable could they not open the eastern platform as a bidirectional one, if the Southern trains did not stop? -- Peter Lawrence |
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"Peter Lawrence" wrote in message ... On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:25:46 -0000, "John Rowland" wrote: I find it hard to believe that opening a new one-way station now and making it two-way sixths months later would be illegal. With the present (overground) timetable could they not open the eastern platform as a bidirectional one, if the Southern trains did not stop? I thought the current NR timetable allows for trains stopping at Shepherds Bush, as announced back in May or so, in the expectation the station would open. I can't quite see why Southern not stopping would affect matters though... Paul S |
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