"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 23:58:47 on Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Lew 1
remarked:
I may be far too cynical here, but it seems that in their efforts to
create
an arty farty "meeting place", the St Pancras team have forgotten about
the
most basic elements... seatings, signage and information displays.

... and passenger flows.

I fell like a lone voice in the wilderness, having been moaning about the
MML platforms all this time, and pretty much being told "stop fussing,
it'll be alright when the main shed opens".

But it isn't.

And now we seem to be hearing "it'll be alright when the northern ticket
hall opens"

Pardon me if I say: "I don't believe it".

Have any additional signs become visible since we recently mentioned the
small overhead signs on the back of the PIS displays as you leave the MML
platforms, that appeared to be taped over. Seems many of them need to be
made much bigger, the sort of size you get in most other major stations.

Paul

On 12 Dec, 10:51, "Paul Scott" wrote:
I'll rephrase the question then, because there must surely be a lot more
than 8 tph off the GN network into KX & Moorgate in the peak in total -
will all the Cambridge trains divert to the Thameslink route, or might some
of them still go to KX?

The ECML RUS has a neat diagram of this (Figure 12). In the morning
peak hour, there are 13 to KX and 12 to Moorgate. Outside the peaks
there are 6 to King's Cross and 6 to Moorgate (the Moorgate service
isn't meant to be involved at all with Thameslink, mind).

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...nsultation.pdf

I think King's Cross is still going to get a significant number of
suburban services, at least in the morning peak.

U

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On Dec 11, 11:58 pm, "Lew 1"
wrote:
I may be far too cynical here, but it seems that in their efforts to create
an arty farty "meeting place", the St Pancras team have forgotten about the
most basic elements... seatings, signage and information displays.

Having watched the series on BBC2 about St P with the architect
getting into a flap about his doodleflips being 2 inches out of whack
and others making a big fuss about the retail side and yet more people
having kittens about marks on the statue , I suspect thats almost
certainly the case. I realise you can't trust the BBC editing much
these days , but not once did we see anyone making any comment about
anything to do with signs or displays.

B2003

In message , at 11:04:23 on
Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Paul Scott remarked:
Have any additional signs become visible since we recently mentioned the
small overhead signs on the back of the PIS displays as you leave the MML
platforms, that appeared to be taped over. Seems many of them need to be
made much bigger, the sort of size you get in most other major stations.

Haven't been there for a couple of weeks. Expecting to go down on Friday
so will report back after that.
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article
,
(Paul Oter) wrote:

On 11 Dec, 01:02, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article
,

(Paul Oter) wrote:
On 9 Dec, 23:49, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article ,
(Sky Rider) wrote:

How will one get a bike between the platforms and street
level then?

If the lifts (let's call them 1 and 2) are big enough then
your options a
Street level - Lift 1 - Southbound platform
Street level - Lift 1 - Mezzanine - Lift 2 - Northbound
platform

Ugh!

Alternatively one could carry one's bike up/down two long
stairs, with a mezzanine level in between.

Double-ugh! This is going to be the main railway London gateway
of the UK's premier cycling city from 2015!

I suppose you (and I) would be able to cycle to Farrington, City
Thameslink or Blackfriars for a slightly less onerous set of
steps :-)

Except that they are rather in the wrong direction for Westminster.

You what? Westminster to Blackfriars is a substantially shorter and easier
ride than Westminster to King's Cross.

tom


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On Dec 12, 8:57 am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Jonathan Morton" wrote

When the Snow Hill route re-opened, the
third rail was extended north to Farringdon (which was [1] the changeover
point) and the dual voltage 319s were brought in to run the new Thameslink
service. The 317s were re-deployed.

[1] and still is, I think. Did I dream it or was there some suggestion
that
as part of TL2000 the wires would be extended to Blackfriars - on the
grounds that that was a better changeover station since trains tended to
stop there for a longer time anyway?

The 317s were sent to the Euston - Milton Keynes/ Northampton route for a
time, before they moved east.


This is the reason why they removed the controlled emission toilets,
as there was no servicing point for them at Bletchley (nor at any
other stabling points on the WCML) and there was no drive to install
said facilities. Remember that the electrification of the MML meant
provision of new depots which could have the CET equipment in place.
As none of the other trains on the WCML had CET there was no reason to
build the facilities, so the toilets went to the 'dump on the track'
sort.

(SPILL with a bike)

On Dec 12, 1:15 am, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

I had a look round tonight, having nearly half an hour spare before my
train to Cambridge. I didn't have my bike with me today so walked down to
the platforms via the escalators but came up in lift 1, with a cyclist. I
only visited the southbound platform.


I caught a train from the southbound platform this morning. On my
second visit it doesn't seem quite as far down to the platforms as I
found yesterday, but you still have two flights of steps.

There are two escalators from the mezzanine down to the southbound
platform (not for use with bikes, of course) - but both were set to go
up, forcing everyone with suitcases to carry them down the steps or
wait ages for the lift. Amazing that a brand new station was built
with insufficient escalators (compare this with the Jubilee Line at
Canary Wharf). I suspect when a train from Bedford is followed by a
train from Cambridge followed by a train from Peterborough even two
escalators will be overwhelmed.

PaulO

"Paul Oter" wrote in message
...
(SPILL with a bike)

On Dec 12, 1:15 am, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

I had a look round tonight, having nearly half an hour spare before my
train to Cambridge. I didn't have my bike with me today so walked down to
the platforms via the escalators but came up in lift 1, with a cyclist. I
only visited the southbound platform.


I caught a train from the southbound platform this morning. On my
second visit it doesn't seem quite as far down to the platforms as I
found yesterday, but you still have two flights of steps.

There are two escalators from the mezzanine down to the southbound
platform (not for use with bikes, of course) - but both were set to go
up, forcing everyone with suitcases to carry them down the steps or
wait ages for the lift. Amazing that a brand new station was built
with insufficient escalators (compare this with the Jubilee Line at
Canary Wharf). I suspect when a train from Bedford is followed by a
train from Cambridge followed by a train from Peterborough even two
escalators will be overwhelmed.


A few people have suggested here in the past that there should also have
been a southern exit from the Thameslink platforms, directly to the west end
of the western ticket hall for the Circle/Met/H&C, but what do we know...

Having said that, didn't someone already post that the low level platforms
had been closed due to overcrowding on Monday evening - how did they ever
get on at the old station, or have the numbers using the new station changed
considerably with the move?

Paul

In article ,
"Jonathan Morton"
wrote:

"Lew 1" wrote in message
...

Possibly when they left the Thameslink route, the retention tanks weren't
thought to be required any more?

Strictly they weren't on the "Thameslink" route, since that did not exist
when the 317s came in. They were new for the Moorgate route (Bed-Pan
electrification) ...

The name seems most appropriate for a train with a retention toilet,
though electrification seems a little harsh.

Sam

In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article

,
(Paul Oter) wrote:

On 11 Dec, 01:02, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article
,

(Paul Oter) wrote:
On 9 Dec, 23:49, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article ,
(Sky Rider) wrote:

How will one get a bike between the platforms and street
level then?

If the lifts (let's call them 1 and 2) are big enough then
your options a
Street level - Lift 1 - Southbound platform
Street level - Lift 1 - Mezzanine - Lift 2 - Northbound
platform

Ugh!

Alternatively one could carry one's bike up/down two long
stairs, with a mezzanine level in between.

Double-ugh! This is going to be the main railway London gateway
of the UK's premier cycling city from 2015!

I suppose you (and I) would be able to cycle to Farrington, City
Thameslink or Blackfriars for a slightly less onerous set of
steps :-)

Except that they are rather in the wrong direction for
Westminster.

You what? Westminster to Blackfriars is a substantially shorter and
easier ride than Westminster to King's Cross.

Only if you ignore the train running time. Anyway, how much better is the
platform-street level interchange there?

--
Colin Rosenstiel