GoVia West Midlands have announced the signing of the somewhat delayed order
for their Class 172 Turbostars today, perhaps the TfL order for the GOBLIN
trains will now follow as well...

http://www.londonmidland.com/index.p..._items/view/22

Paul S

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:59:43 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

GoVia West Midlands have announced the signing of the somewhat delayed order
for their Class 172 Turbostars today, perhaps the TfL order for the GOBLIN
trains will now follow as well...

http://www.londonmidland.com/index.p..._items/view/22

Interesting - I wonder what price they've had to pay after the mistake
of saying they'd be Turbostars when the tendering / negotiation process
was far from complete.

I do hope the TfL order follows sharpish as I want new trains on the
GOBLIN as it's my local (Overground) line and (almost) anything must be
better than clapped out 150s.

I appreciate we don't really have a definitive view of the 1300 or 1700
new carriages but I've yet to see the GOBLIN diesel replacements
anywhere on any summary published so far.
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Paul C

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:59:43 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

GoVia West Midlands have announced the signing of the somewhat delayed
order
for their Class 172 Turbostars today, perhaps the TfL order for the GOBLIN
trains will now follow as well...

http://www.londonmidland.com/index.p..._items/view/22

Interesting - I wonder what price they've had to pay after the mistake
of saying they'd be Turbostars when the tendering / negotiation process
was far from complete.


US$189m [say £95m] for 69 cars on www.bombardier.com Of course that may
include more than just the units, as is the way of these things nowadays...

Paul S

On Dec 13, 10:09 pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

Interesting - I wonder what price they've had to pay after the mistake
of saying they'd be Turbostars when the tendering / negotiation process
was far from complete.

AIUI the previous announcements were based on a letter of intent
following the tender process.

We have seen this before with Bombardier orders - the SC/SN 171s had a
lag of something like 15 months between end of tender process + letter
of intent , and the order confirmation. All round they like it as all
parties get a chance to make twice the announcnements about new
trains.

Or was there something hidden behind this particular order ?

--
Nick

"D7666" wrote in message
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On Dec 13, 10:09 pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

Interesting - I wonder what price they've had to pay after the mistake
of saying they'd be Turbostars when the tendering / negotiation process
was far from complete.

AIUI the previous announcements were based on a letter of intent
following the tender process.

We have seen this before with Bombardier orders - the SC/SN 171s had a
lag of something like 15 months between end of tender process + letter
of intent , and the order confirmation. All round they like it as all
parties get a chance to make twice the announcnements about new
trains.

Or was there something hidden behind this particular order ?


I recall there was a certain amount of debate here about how the DfT were
able to announce the class of train and manufacturer, without an OJEU notice
appearing, and tenders being sought.

Paul

On Dec 13, 10:27 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

I recall there was a certain amount of debate here about how the DfT were
able to announce the class of train and manufacturer, without an OJEU notice
appearing, and tenders being sought.

There was - or at leastt here was in once case where I stated this.

However, I was shot down by subsequent posters and told it was wrong.

--
Nick

On 13 Dec, 22:33, D7666 wrote:
On Dec 13, 10:27 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

I recall there was a certain amount of debate here about how the DfT were
able to announce the class of train and manufacturer, without an OJEU notice
appearing, and tenders being sought.

There was - or at leastt here was in once case where I stated this.

However, I was shot down by subsequent posters and told it was wrong.

Well, I was talking to the top people at Siemens recently and touched
on the 172s - there was absolutely no complaint about the way they
were procured. I think possibly there was some behind the scenes
discussion with all manufacturers - and certainly Siemens appear to be
just too late with ideas for much lighter trains, so maybe they have
accepted "defeat" as they think they wouldn't have had anything ready
to offer.

I think the order for the TfL / LOROL sets has already been agreed.

Despite the slip up with announcing the "winner" before the order was
signed I understand LM have got the trains at pretty much the price
they originally expected to pay. Reference to letters exchanged during
the run up to the franchise starting was rather helpful in LM's
favour!

Tony

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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I do hope the TfL order follows sharpish as I want new trains on the
GOBLIN as it's my local (Overground) line and (almost) anything must be
better than clapped out 150s.

Ey up! Ken? Ken?!? I think we've found a home for those yellow 142s!

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Tim

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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:38:14 -0000, "Tim Fenton"
wrote:


"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
.. .

I do hope the TfL order follows sharpish as I want new trains on the
GOBLIN as it's my local (Overground) line and (almost) anything must be
better than clapped out 150s.

Ey up! Ken? Ken?!? I think we've found a home for those yellow 142s!

I rather carefully inserted the word "almost" in brackets in
anticipation of exactly this response. No we do not want those bloody
horrible things bouncing and grinding their way over track that is
riddled with speed restrictions because bridges and embankments are worn
out (even after a lot of upgrade work by NR on other stretches).
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Paul C

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:59:43 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

GoVia West Midlands have announced the signing of the somewhat delayed order
for their Class 172 Turbostars today, perhaps the TfL order for the GOBLIN
trains will now follow as well...

Why 172? How do they differ from 170s - are they the 75mph version?

Neil

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