Old BR logo on London Underground
 

It suddenly struck me yesterday when I was up in London, why do TFL
still use the old British Rail logo? Whenever you get to a station
with an overground rail connection, there are signs saying "Trains"
with an arrow and the old logo. In fact I'd also like to what they
think the things that run on the Underground are if not "trains"?
On the southbound Bakerloo platfrom at Waterloo, there's still a sign
that says "British Rail" in blue illuminated glass. Its on both sides
of the sign, so I wonder of this is a deliberate.
Now, If you look at the new "Overground" stickers going up on the
information signs at station, they also have the old BR logo printed
on them.
Why does this still happen?

Neill

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

At the time of privatisation is was decided that the symbol would be
retained to indicate the railway network and that is still the case
today.

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:57:39 -0800 (PST), Neill
wrote:

Why does this still happen?

Because it remains as the logo used to represent mainline rail
throughout the country, and has by no means been retired.

Neil

--
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Put my first name before the at to reply.

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On 28 Dec, 20:57, Neill wrote:
It suddenly struck me yesterday when I was up in London, why do TFL
still use the old British Rail logo? Whenever you get to a station
with an overground rail connection, there are signs saying "Trains"
with an arrow and the old logo.

You'd better tell the National Rail people to stop using it too:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/

On the southbound Bakerloo platfrom at Waterloo, there's still a sign
that says "British Rail" in blue illuminated glass. Its on both sides
of the sign, so I wonder of this is a deliberate.

Old Street still has a British Rail (Eastern Region) sign lurking.

U

--
http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

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Neill wrote:
It suddenly struck me yesterday when I was up in London, why do TFL
still use the old British Rail logo?

What makes you think that it's only "up in London" that the National
Rail symbol is used? What part of the country do you come from? Don't
you see it there?
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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"Neill" wrote in message
...

Now, If you look at the new "Overground" stickers going up on the
information signs at station, they also have the old BR logo printed
on them.
Why does this still happen?

Because the 'London Overground' is still part of the current national rail
network, whose sign it is, not the 'tube' despite what you might think if
you listen only to Ken Livingstone?

Paul

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

It suddenly struck me yesterday when I was up in London, why do TFL
still use the old British Rail logo? Whenever you get to a station
with an overground rail connection, there are signs saying "Trains"
with an arrow and the old logo.

It's *not* an old logo. Every railway station in the country shows that
logo - its accepted as the standard design in the UK meaning "Railway",
regardless of who is running the trains. National Rail still use it, maps
still use it... why would you change it? (Incidentally, what is the name of
this logo, I remember someone telling me once but I have forgotten!)

In fact I'd also like to what they
think the things that run on the Underground are if not "trains"?

In non enthusiast speak, they are tubes - even the sub-surface stock. So,
the rail symbol and the word trains quite easily conveys National Trains.

On the southbound Bakerloo platfrom at Waterloo, there's still a sign
that says "British Rail" in blue illuminated glass. Its on both sides
of the sign, so I wonder of this is a deliberate.

I doubt it, but why change it? It is blindingly obvious what it means. Plus,
whilst British Rail as an organisation may be defunct, the term "british
rail" is still an accurate description of where the sign is pointing too.
Plus, these days, if you put the TOC name on it you'll have to replace the
sign every few years.

Now, If you look at the new "Overground" stickers going up on the
information signs at station, they also have the old BR logo printed
on them.
Why does this still happen?

London Overground is effectively a Train Operating Company on the national
rail network, just like One, c2c, SouthWest Trains, any others you may care
to mention, therefore the railway logo is still valid. TfL choose to
substantiate that with the Overground label which, given that they own
London Overground, is a fairly obvious thing to do.

Best Wishes,
LEWIS

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

On Dec 29, 12:36 am, "Lew 1"
wrote:
It suddenly struck me yesterday when I was up in London, why do TFL
still use the old British Rail logo? Whenever you get to a station
with an overground rail connection, there are signs saying "Trains"
with an arrow and the old logo.

It's *not* an old logo. Every railway station in the country shows that
logo - its accepted as the standard design in the UK meaning "Railway",
regardless of who is running the trains. National Rail still use it, maps
still use it... why would you change it? (Incidentally, what is the name of
this logo, I remember someone telling me once but I have forgotten!)

In fact I'd also like to what they
think the things that run on the Underground are if not "trains"?

In non enthusiast speak, they are tubes - even the sub-surface stock. So,
the rail symbol and the word trains quite easily conveys National Trains.

On the southbound Bakerloo platfrom at Waterloo, there's still a sign
that says "British Rail" in blue illuminated glass. Its on both sides
of the sign, so I wonder of this is a deliberate.

I doubt it, but why change it? It is blindingly obvious what it means. Plus,
whilst British Rail as an organisation may be defunct, the term "british
rail" is still an accurate description of where the sign is pointing too.
Plus, these days, if you put the TOC name on it you'll have to replace the
sign every few years.

Now, If you look at the new "Overground" stickers going up on the
information signs at station, they also have the old BR logo printed
on them.
Why does this still happen?

London Overground is effectively a Train Operating Company on the national
rail network, just like One, c2c, SouthWest Trains, any others you may care
to mention, therefore the railway logo is still valid. TfL choose to
substantiate that with the Overground label which, given that they own
London Overground, is a fairly obvious thing to do.

Best Wishes,
LEWIS

London Overground isn't quite like a TOC. It is a concession from TfL.
A private firm operate it on TfLs behalf. TfL set the timetable, fares
and staffing levels. They also retain 100% of the fares.

If a LO station only has LO services then it will eventually not have
the NR Double Arrow logo, there are some expections to this. There is
more information in the Corporate Design section of the TfL website.

I completely agree with no changing all the signs unless essential.
Though there are still some high-profile signs up with Aldwych!

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On 29 Dec, 00:49, chunky munky wrote:
London Overground isn't quite like a TOC. It is a concession from TfL.
A private firm operate it on TfLs behalf. TfL set the timetable, fares
and staffing levels. They also retain 100% of the fares.

90%. And it is a TOC within the National Rail system. The thing it
isn't is a franchise.

If a LO station only has LO services then it will eventually not have
the NR Double Arrow logo, there are some expections to this. There is
more information in the Corporate Design section of the TfL website.

That's not quite right - the North London Railway is a National Rail
service, but the East London Railway is not, probably due to the
project's heritage as a tube line. Stations that are only served by
the East London Railway (which also happen to be the ones owned by TfL
rather than Network Rail) won't have double arrows, but the rest will.

U

--
http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:55:45 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:


"Neill" wrote in message
...

Now, If you look at the new "Overground" stickers going up on the
information signs at station, they also have the old BR logo printed
on them.
Why does this still happen?

Because the 'London Overground' is still part of the current national rail
network, whose sign it is, not the 'tube' despite what you might think if
you listen only to Ken Livingstone?

Or if you look at Tube line diagrams.

All TOCs are equal, but some TOCs are more equal than others.

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

"Neill":
It suddenly struck me yesterday when I was up in London, why do TFL
still use the old British Rail logo? Whenever you get to a station
with an overground rail connection, there are signs saying "Trains"
with an arrow and the old logo.

Lewis Cox:
It's *not* an old logo. Every railway station in the country shows that
logo - its accepted as the standard design in the UK meaning "Railway",
regardless of who is running the trains. National Rail still use it, maps
still use it... why would you change it?

Well, some might prefer it to be changed because it seems to imply that
there is a still a single organization responsible for all those trains.
On the other hand, some also might prefer to leave it alone just on the
off-chance that that situation comes to pass again.

In fact I'd also like to what they
think the things that run on the Underground are if not "trains"?

In non enthusiast speak, they are tubes - even the sub-surface stock.

Well, I think enough people know them as "tube trains" for that
explanation not to fly. Consider also all those signs that say
things like "1st *train* - High Barnet - 1 min" (emphasis added).

I suggest, instead, that when the signs read "BR sign trains", the
symbol is meant to be interpreted as an adjective, so it's national
rail trains as opposed to tube trains.
--
Mark Brader "The routes 'London' and 'not London' are
Toronto not necessarily mutually exclusive."
--Tim Stevens for ATOC, UK

My text in this article is in the public domain.

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:49:38 -0800 (PST), chunky munky
wrote:

London Overground isn't quite like a TOC. It is a concession from TfL.
A private firm operate it on TfLs behalf. TfL set the timetable, fares
and staffing levels. They also retain 100% of the fares.

Apart from revenue risk, it is not dissimilar from Merseyrail, which
is "franchised" by the PTE. It is, however, still part of the
national network, which LOROL will need to remain unless TfL plans on
removing fares interavailability, through fares and the likes which is
likely to annoy quite a few people if they do.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:49:08 -0000, (Mark Brader) wrote:

Well, some might prefer it to be changed because it seems to imply that
there is a still a single organization responsible for all those trains.

Why does it have to represent that? I suppose we could go over to the
"European" symbol (the front view of a train) but why confuse people?

In any case, even if it is operated by a lot of companies, it is still
(just about) a single integrated network.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

It is, however, still part of the national network, which LOROL will
need to remain unless TfL plans on removing fares interavailability,
through fares and the likes which is likely to annoy quite a few
people if they do.

Once zonal fares have been fully implemented within the London zones,
will they care if people can't get fares between LOROL-operated lines and
the rest of the national network? They gave up caring about that for
fares from the District to the old Southern Region years ago, it would
appear.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On 29 Dec, 00:36, "Lew 1" wrote:

It's *not* an old logo. Every railway station in the country shows that
logo

Not quite every station. St Pancras has only HS1 logos, not a BR
Double Arrow in sight!

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

On Dec 29, 11:28 am, Standing at HN28 signal
wrote:
On 29 Dec, 00:36, "Lew 1" wrote:

It's *not* an old logo. Every railway station in the country shows that
logo

Not quite every station. St Pancras has only HS1 logos, not a BR
Double Arrow in sight!

Nor do stations served only by the UndergrounD. The logo is used only
for the 'National Rail' network. At privatisation this was easy to
define as all lines owned by Railtrack. Not so simple now.

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

In article
,
(umpston) wrote:

On Dec 29, 11:28 am, Standing at HN28 signal
wrote:
On 29 Dec, 00:36, "Lew 1"
wrote:

It's *not* an old logo. Every railway station in the country
shows that logo

Not quite every station. St Pancras has only HS1 logos, not a BR
Double Arrow in sight!

Nor do stations served only by the UndergrounD. The logo is used only
for the 'National Rail' network. At privatisation this was easy to
define as all lines owned by Railtrack. Not so simple now.

So why isn't used at St Pancras International? It is served by two
'National Rail' TOCs, East Midlands Trains and First Capital Connect.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article
,
(umpston) wrote:

On Dec 29, 11:28 am, Standing at HN28 signal
wrote:
On 29 Dec, 00:36, "Lew 1"
wrote:

It's *not* an old logo. Every railway station in the country
shows that logo

Not quite every station. St Pancras has only HS1 logos, not a BR
Double Arrow in sight!

Nor do stations served only by the UndergrounD. The logo is used only
for the 'National Rail' network. At privatisation this was easy to
define as all lines owned by Railtrack. Not so simple now.

So why isn't used at St Pancras International? It is served by two
'National Rail' TOCs, East Midlands Trains and First Capital Connect.


IIRC Network Rail didn't take over management of St Pancras International #
until mid December - might that have something to do with it?

# where the NR site says, on the media release about the Thameslink
platforms: "Network Rail already manages the entire St Pancras International
station" - do they really mean the Eurostar aspects as well? IIRC when the
traffic management and temporary signage was being discussed a few weeks ago
it was generally consider that NR had nothing to do with St Pancras
operational aspects

Paul

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

Mark Brader:
Well, some might prefer it to be changed because it seems to imply that
there is a still a single organization responsible for all those trains.

Neil Williams:
Why does it have to represent that?

Where did I say "has to"?
--
Mark Brader "Never re-invent the wheel unnecessarily;
Toronto yours may have corners."
-- Henry Spencer

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

What's also odd is that the 'Overground' flashes on LUL car diagrams
inside trains do not have the BR/NR double arrow but those affixed to
station diagrams do. And those on station diagrams are being placed
against every possible LU/LO interchange and not as per the design
manual. EG a Bakerloo Line NB sign at Baker Street should show LO
interchange at Queens Park (for Euston), Willesden Junction (for NLL/
WLL) and Harrow & Wealdstone (for NB DC line) yet the amending
stickers shown at evert 'joint' LO/LU station.

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

On 29 Dec, 00:49, chunky munky wrote:

There is
more information in the Corporate Design section of the TfL website.


And the 'London Overground Signs Standard' is especially enlightening,
particularly pages 24 and 29 where 55 Broadway's hidden agenda to
extend the Metropolitan line to Croydon is exposed :)

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/corporate/...ardIssue01.pdf

or

http://tinyurl.com/yvv8g3

Stuart J

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"StuartJ" wrote in message
...
On 29 Dec, 00:49, chunky munky wrote:

There is
more information in the Corporate Design section of the TfL website.


And the 'London Overground Signs Standard' is especially enlightening,
particularly pages 24 and 29 where 55 Broadway's hidden agenda to
extend the Metropolitan line to Croydon is exposed :)


http://tinyurl.com/yvv8g3

Well spotted

LOROL

Paul S

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

In article
,
(StuartJ) wrote:

On 29 Dec, 00:49, chunky munky
wrote:

There is more information in the Corporate Design section of the TfL
website.

And the 'London Overground Signs Standard' is especially enlightening,
particularly pages 24 and 29 where 55 Broadway's hidden agenda to
extend the Metropolitan line to Croydon is exposed :)


http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/corporate/...sets/downloads
/overground/OvergroundSignsStandardIssue01.pdf

or

http://tinyurl.com/yvv8g3

They're all in Overground Orange here. What am I missing?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

Well spotted

LOROL

I'm glad i'm not the only person who's been thinking that!

tom

--
Cthulu saves! (so he can eat you later)

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On Dec 29, 2:08 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article
,

(umpston) wrote:
On Dec 29, 11:28 am, Standing at HN28 signal
wrote:
On 29 Dec, 00:36, "Lew 1"
wrote:

It's *not* an old logo. Every railway station in the country
shows that logo

Not quite every station. St Pancras has only HS1 logos, not a BR
Double Arrow in sight!

Nor do stations served only by the UndergrounD. The logo is used only
for the 'National Rail' network. At privatisation this was easy to
define as all lines owned by Railtrack. Not so simple now.

So why isn't used at St Pancras International? It is served by two
'National Rail' TOCs, East Midlands Trains and First Capital Connect.


Well crumbs I don't know! However my statement that the logo is used
only for the National Rail network still holds true - I haven't heard
of any non national-rail stations where it is used only of some NR
stations where for some reason it isn't.

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:13 -0800 (PST), umpston wrote:

It's *not* an old logo. Every railway station in the country shows that
logo

Not quite every station. St Pancras has only HS1 logos, not a BR
Double Arrow in sight!

Nor do stations served only by the UndergrounD. The logo is used only
for the 'National Rail' network. At privatisation this was easy to
define as all lines owned by Railtrack.

Err, no.

e.g. Harrow-on-the-Hill had a double arrow logo outside at the time of
privatisation (and still does).

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

On 29 Dec, 22:30, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article
,

(StuartJ) wrote:
On 29 Dec, 00:49, chunky munky
wrote:

There is more information in the Corporate Design section of the TfL
website.

And the 'London Overground Signs Standard' is especially enlightening,
particularly pages 24 and 29 where 55 Broadway's hidden agenda to
extend the Metropolitan line to Croydon is exposed :)

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/corporate/...ds/assets/down...



or

http://tinyurl.com/yvv8g3

They're all in Overground Orange here. What am I missing?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Check the stations between Crystal Palace and East Croydon in the
diagram on page 29.

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

StuartJ wrote:
On 29 Dec, 22:30, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article
,

(StuartJ) wrote:
On 29 Dec, 00:49, chunky munky
wrote:

There is more information in the Corporate Design section of the
TfL website.

And the 'London Overground Signs Standard' is especially
enlightening, particularly pages 24 and 29 where 55 Broadway's
hidden agenda to extend the Metropolitan line to Croydon is
exposed :)

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/corporate/...ds/assets/down...



or

http://tinyurl.com/yvv8g3

They're all in Overground Orange here. What am I missing?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Check the stations between Crystal Palace and East Croydon in the
diagram on page 29.

East Croydon isn't listed on page 29, but I see what you mean. Check
the station between Anerley and West Croydon.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

StuartJ wrote:
On 29 Dec, 22:30, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article
,

(StuartJ) wrote:
On 29 Dec, 00:49, chunky munky
wrote:

There is more information in the Corporate Design section of
the TfL website.

And the 'London Overground Signs Standard' is especially
enlightening, particularly pages 24 and 29 where 55 Broadway's
hidden agenda to extend the Metropolitan line to Croydon is
exposed :)



http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/corporate/...ds/assets/down...


or

http://tinyurl.com/yvv8g3

They're all in Overground Orange here. What am I missing?

Check the stations between Crystal Palace and East Croydon in the
diagram on page 29.

East Croydon isn't listed on page 29, but I see what you mean.
Check the station between Anerley and West Croydon.

Yes, yes, seen it now. "Northwood Junction" indeed.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Dec 30, 3:24 pm, asdf wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:13 -0800 (PST), umpston wrote:
It's *not* an old logo. Every railway station in the country shows that
logo

Not quite every station. St Pancras has only HS1 logos, not a BR
Double Arrow in sight!

Nor do stations served only by the UndergrounD. The logo is used only
for the 'National Rail' network. At privatisation this was easy to
define as all lines owned by Railtrack.

Err, no.

e.g. Harrow-on-the-Hill had a double arrow logo outside at the time of
privatisation (and still does).

And were there not Railtrack lines running via this station? Please
explain.

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

In article
,
(umpston) wrote:

e.g. Harrow-on-the-Hill had a double arrow logo outside at the
time of privatisation (and still does).

And were there not Railtrack lines running via this station? Please
explain.

Not for the last 6 years at least!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

On Dec 30, 9:33 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article
,

(umpston) wrote:
e.g. Harrow-on-the-Hill had a double arrow logo outside at the
time of privatisation (and still does).

And were there not Railtrack lines running via this station? Please
explain.

Not for the last 6 years at least!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Please explain.

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

In article
,
(umpston) wrote:

On Dec 30, 9:33 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article
,

(umpston) wrote:
e.g. Harrow-on-the-Hill had a double arrow logo outside at the
time of privatisation (and still does).

And were there not Railtrack lines running via this station?
Please explain.

Not for the last 6 years at least!

Please explain.

Railtrack PLC went into railway administration in 2001 and was replaced
by Network Rail.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

On 30 Dec, 21:20, umpston wrote:
On Dec 30, 3:24 pm, asdf wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:13 -0800 (PST), umpston wrote:
It's *not* an old logo. Every railway station in the country shows that
logo

Not quite every station. St Pancras has only HS1 logos, not a BR
Double Arrow in sight!

Nor do stations served only by the UndergrounD. The logo is used only
for the 'National Rail' network. At privatisation this was easy to
define as all lines owned by Railtrack.

Err, no.

e.g. Harrow-on-the-Hill had a double arrow logo outside at the time of
privatisation (and still does).

And were there not Railtrack lines running via this station? Please
explain.

The boundary between Railtrack (later Network Rail) and LUL on the
lines from Marylebone is at 61.25 km, some 0.5 km south of Harrow-on-
the-Hill station, which is entirely owned and operated by LUL.

Stuart J

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On Dec 30, 9:58 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article
,

(umpston) wrote:
On Dec 30, 9:33 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article
,

(umpston) wrote:
e.g. Harrow-on-the-Hill had a double arrow logo outside at the
time of privatisation (and still does).

And were there not Railtrack lines running via this station?
Please explain.

Not for the last 6 years at least!

Please explain.

Railtrack PLC went into railway administration in 2001 and was replaced
by Network Rail.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

I know this - my post (and the reply from asdf) was referring to the
time of privatisation.

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

On Dec 30, 10:32 pm, StuartJ wrote:
On 30 Dec, 21:20, umpston wrote:



On Dec 30, 3:24 pm, asdf wrote:

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:46:13 -0800 (PST), umpston wrote:
It's *not* an old logo. Every railway station in the country shows that
logo

Not quite every station. St Pancras has only HS1 logos, not a BR
Double Arrow in sight!

Nor do stations served only by the UndergrounD. The logo is used only
for the 'National Rail' network. At privatisation this was easy to
define as all lines owned by Railtrack.

Err, no.

e.g. Harrow-on-the-Hill had a double arrow logo outside at the time of
privatisation (and still does).

And were there not Railtrack lines running via this station? Please
explain.

The boundary between Railtrack (later Network Rail) and LUL on the
lines from Marylebone is at 61.25 km, some 0.5 km south of Harrow-on-
the-Hill station, which is entirely owned and operated by LUL.

Stuart J

Thank you for your clarification. I stand corrected. Best wishes.

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

If a LO station only has LO services then it will eventually not have
the NR Double Arrow logo, there are some expections to this. There is
more information in the Corporate Design section of the TfL website.

Ah, my apologise. However, I don't think I like this. Assuming that National
Rail railcards are still vaild along with National Rail ticketing and
information, to not have the National Rail symbol strikes me as odd.

Best Wishes,
LEWIS

Old BR logo on London Underground
 

Well crumbs I don't know! However my statement that the logo is used
only for the National Rail network still holds true - I haven't heard
of any non national-rail stations where it is used only of some NR
stations where for some reason it isn't.

With the exception of St Pancras though, non NR station have an alternative
logo which convers what sort of train you are likely to get from there, and
how it is different to a NR station.

The news that St P doesn't have it is a great shame IMO - but not
surprising. Signage is to St Pancras International what Etch-A-Sketch is to
art.

LEWIS

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"Lew 1" wrote in message
...
If a LO station only has LO services then it will eventually not have
the NR Double Arrow logo, there are some expections to this. There is
more information in the Corporate Design section of the TfL website.

Ah, my apologise. However, I don't think I like this. Assuming that
National
Rail railcards are still vaild along with National Rail ticketing and
information, to not have the National Rail symbol strikes me as odd.


The TfL 'Corporate Design' stuff explains that it's only the Dalston
Junction - Surrey Quays section (previously ELL) that won't display the NR
symbol. Everywhere else keeps it.

Paul S

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In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

"Lew 1" wrote in message
...
If a LO station only has LO services then it will eventually not
have the NR Double Arrow logo, there are some expections to this.
There is more information in the Corporate Design section of the TfL

website.

Ah, my apologise. However, I don't think I like this. Assuming that
National Rail railcards are still vaild along with National Rail
ticketing and information, to not have the National Rail symbol
strikes me as odd.

The TfL 'Corporate Design' stuff explains that it's only the
Dalston Junction - Surrey Quays section (previously ELL) that won't
display the NR symbol. Everywhere else keeps it.

Although Dalston Junction-Shoreditch (-ish) was never an Underground line
and was part of BR.

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Colin Rosenstiel