Does anyone know how many, if any. of the original LNWR sub-stations
are still in use? There are various large buildings adjacent to the
NLL/Euston DC Lines which seem to foor the bill but others have
disappeared. The one visible on the NLL from the Met/Jubilee Lines has
gone, as has another large structure which stood near East Putney on
the EN side. Is the large building on the WCML side in the Kenton/
Northwick Park area a former LNWR sub?

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:19:29 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Does anyone know how many, if any. of the original LNWR sub-stations
are still in use? There are various large buildings adjacent to the
NLL/Euston DC Lines which seem to foor the bill but others have
disappeared. The one visible on the NLL from the Met/Jubilee Lines has
gone, as has another large structure which stood near East Putney on
the EN side.

Eh? This sounds like the LSWR, not LNWR!

Is the large building on the WCML side in the Kenton/
Northwick Park area a former LNWR sub?

Yes. AFAIK it is the only one still in use,; all the rest were taken
out of use in the 1940s, new rectifiers etc. being installed in
smaller buildings nearby. The buildings survive at Willesdan
Junction (derelict and rail-locked), South Acton and Headstone Lane
(both heavily adapted for other uses.) Dunno about Dalston
Junction.

There is a similar looking building at Harrow and W but this was not a
railway one.

The original Broad Street sub-station was beneath the viaduct somwhere
near Great Eastern Street; does anyone knowthe exact location please?


--
Peter Lawrence

Why are they closing the Vic from 22.00 until 4 November, so that they can
test, tincker with and troubleshoot the 09 series trains?

BTW, when and where will it be possible to see one of those trains?

On Jan 19, 4:09 pm, wrote:
Why are they closing the Vic from 22.00 until 4 November, so that they can
test, tincker with and troubleshoot the 09 series trains?

BTW, when and where will it be possible to see one of those trains?

That is difficult - the public parts of the Vic are all underground,
and as '9 stock is not in public service, you'll have to either visit
the depot or have some gen on test trains in traffic hours (of which
there are none - yet; but really the timetable does not allow for
traffic hours test trains).

--
Nick

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:09:28 GMT, wrote:

Why are they closing the Vic from 22.00 until 4 November, so that they can
test, tincker with and troubleshoot the 09 series trains?

BTW, when and where will it be possible to see one of those trains?

I have seen train one parked in the depot. It was sheer luck but I went
past on a 192 bus (starts from Tottenham Hale). It goes up Watermead Way
which rises above the Cambridge line and gives a good view of
Northumberland Park depot. If you opt to try this sit at the back of
the bus as you're higher up (it's only a little single deck).

IIRC there is also a footbridge from Watermead Way across the LU / NR
tracks but I think it is all caged so any view would be very restricted
or maybe even non existent. I've not used it myself.

I doubt very much, at this stage, that the public will be able to see
the V stock in test mode as it's all done under possession with no
public access. The latest LU intranet news about the Vic line early
closing said train 2 was due March / April time and it would enter
passenger service alongside 67 stock late 2008.
--
Paul C

On 20 Jan, 09:09, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:09:28 GMT, wrote:
Why are they closing the Vic from 22.00 until 4 November, so that they can
test, tincker with and troubleshoot the 09 series trains?

BTW, when and where will it be possible to see one of those trains?

I have seen train one parked in the depot. It was sheer luck but I went
past on a 192 bus (starts from Tottenham Hale). It goes up Watermead Way
which rises above the Cambridge line and gives a good view of
Northumberland Park depot. If you opt to try this sit at the back of
the bus as you're higher up (it's only a little single deck).

IIRC there is also a footbridge from Watermead Way across the LU / NR
tracks but I think it is all caged so any view would be very restricted
or maybe even non existent. I've not used it myself.

I doubt very much, at this stage, that the public will be able to see
the V stock in test mode as it's all done under possession with no
public access. The latest LU intranet news about the Vic line early
closing said train 2 was due March / April time and it would enter
passenger service alongside 67 stock late 2008.

How will they integrate the 2 different ATO systems for when both
train types are running in service? Do the new trains have the old
system on board as well?

B2003

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:33:07 -0800 (PST), Boltar
wrote:

On 20 Jan, 09:09, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:09:28 GMT, wrote:
Why are they closing the Vic from 22.00 until 4 November, so that they can
test, tincker with and troubleshoot the 09 series trains?

BTW, when and where will it be possible to see one of those trains?

I have seen train one parked in the depot. It was sheer luck but I went
past on a 192 bus (starts from Tottenham Hale). It goes up Watermead Way
which rises above the Cambridge line and gives a good view of
Northumberland Park depot. If you opt to try this sit at the back of
the bus as you're higher up (it's only a little single deck).

IIRC there is also a footbridge from Watermead Way across the LU / NR
tracks but I think it is all caged so any view would be very restricted
or maybe even non existent. I've not used it myself.

I doubt very much, at this stage, that the public will be able to see
the V stock in test mode as it's all done under possession with no
public access. The latest LU intranet news about the Vic line early
closing said train 2 was due March / April time and it would enter
passenger service alongside 67 stock late 2008.

How will they integrate the 2 different ATO systems for when both
train types are running in service? Do the new trains have the old
system on board as well?

New trains are fitted with current system to allow migration of stock.
When all the 67 stock is gone then you have all V stock on the current
ATO and then migration to full "distance to go" signalling follows. I
have no idea if that will be done section by section or in a "big bang"
switch over. My guess would be section by section as the alternative is
possibly too risky. Central Line was done section by section IIRC.

--
Paul C

On 20 Jan, 10:02, Paul Corfield wrote:
New trains are fitted with current system to allow migration of stock.

My understanding is the two signalling systems will run in parallel,
with the current system instructing the new one what to do. Each train
type will only have one system on board. Once all the old trains are
gone the new system will take over completely.

U

--
http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

Two questions:

-- Are the closures indeed to test the new rolling stock or their
prototypes?

-- Why is it called V stock? I thought it was 09 stock.

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:09:28 GMT, wrote:

Why are they closing the Vic from 22.00 until 4 November, so that they can
test, tincker with and troubleshoot the 09 series trains?

BTW, when and where will it be possible to see one of those trains?

I have seen train one parked in the depot. It was sheer luck but I went
past on a 192 bus (starts from Tottenham Hale). It goes up Watermead Way
which rises above the Cambridge line and gives a good view of
Northumberland Park depot. If you opt to try this sit at the back of
the bus as you're higher up (it's only a little single deck).

IIRC there is also a footbridge from Watermead Way across the LU / NR
tracks but I think it is all caged so any view would be very restricted
or maybe even non existent. I've not used it myself.

I doubt very much, at this stage, that the public will be able to see
the V stock in test mode as it's all done under possession with no
public access. The latest LU intranet news about the Vic line early
closing said train 2 was due March / April time and it would enter
passenger service alongside 67 stock late 2008.
--
Paul C

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:51:24 GMT, wrote:



"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:09:28 GMT, wrote:

Why are they closing the Vic from 22.00 until 4 November, so that they can
test, tincker with and troubleshoot the 09 series trains?

BTW, when and where will it be possible to see one of those trains?

I have seen train one parked in the depot. It was sheer luck but I went
past on a 192 bus (starts from Tottenham Hale). It goes up Watermead Way
which rises above the Cambridge line and gives a good view of
Northumberland Park depot. If you opt to try this sit at the back of
the bus as you're higher up (it's only a little single deck).

IIRC there is also a footbridge from Watermead Way across the LU / NR
tracks but I think it is all caged so any view would be very restricted
or maybe even non existent. I've not used it myself.

I doubt very much, at this stage, that the public will be able to see
the V stock in test mode as it's all done under possession with no
public access. The latest LU intranet news about the Vic line early
closing said train 2 was due March / April time and it would enter
passenger service alongside 67 stock late 2008.

Two questions:

-- Are the closures indeed to test the new rolling stock or their
prototypes?

AIUI it is a combination of track replacement along the line,
installation of cabling and signal equipment and testing.

-- Why is it called V stock? I thought it was 09 stock.

Sorry but that's the "internal" term I keep hearing. Officially it may
well be 2009 stock but I've never heard that term until now.
--
Paul C


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