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Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
At Hyde Park Corner station on Sunday, I noticed that the train
indicators said: 1st Heathrow Terms 123 & 5 2nd Rayners Lane 3rd Heathrow Term 4 Are trains already running in this pattern, or is the Picc just trying to confuse tourists (and the odd Londoner)? |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
On 22 Jan, 23:04, Stef Richards wrote:
1st *Heathrow Terms 123 & 5 2nd *Rayners Lane 3rd *Heathrow Term 4 Are trains already running in this pattern, or is the Picc just trying to confuse tourists (and the odd Londoner)? Yes they are. The trains are tipped out at 1,2,3 and run empty to T5. A warning to change trains is announced at the last two or three stations before the line splits. The experience at T1,2,3 is very different. Whereas before all trains went to central London and there was usually one waiting, tourists now have to grasp not boarding a westbound train (which currently isn't even allowed) then have to scrum get onboard a passing eastbound. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
On 22 Jan, 23:04, Stef Richards wrote:
At Hyde Park Corner station on Sunday, I noticed that the train indicators said: 1st Heathrow Terms 123 & 5 2nd Rayners Lane 3rd Heathrow Term 4 Are trains already running in this pattern, or is the Picc just trying to confuse tourists (and the odd Londoner)? It's just a reminder to flyers that they need to read the terms and conditions for using Heathrow airport. Term 5 is a new part of the terms and conditions which specifies that all shoppers... ahem, flyers, must carry either a platinum credit card or GBP 1,000 in cash as they make the short 5 mile walk from security through the airport terminal building past the glittering array of tempting retail outlets to their departure gate Meanwhile Rayners Lane is a mistake - it is a misspelling of Ryanair line. Those flying with Ryanair are instructed to take the first Ryanair line train - after a short hop to the end of the line they will then transfer to a bus that will take them on the short journey from the Harrow area out to London Caernarfon Airport, where they can then catch their Ryanair flight to Vienna's Bratislava airport. Please note that any Ryanair passengers who make use of the train indicator will be charged an 'optional provision of essential information' fee of £2.50 (exc. VAT) - also note that a fee handling charge of 50p applies, and anyone paying using methods other than Ryanair payment vouchers will be surcharged a 30% admin fee. |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
In message , Stef Richards
writes At Hyde Park Corner station on Sunday, I noticed that the train indicators said: 1st Heathrow Terms 123 & 5 2nd Rayners Lane 3rd Heathrow Term 4 Are trains already running in this pattern, or is the Picc just trying to confuse tourists (and the odd Londoner)? This is now how the timetable is operated since 13 January. T4 trains stand for 7-8 mins at T4 though, and T5 trains will operate as a direct T123 train, detrain, and then work to T5 with an instructor for driver training purposes. Therefore passengers for T123 are generally better getting the following T123 & 5 train as they will reach their destination quicker. There is a T4 train only every 10 minutes now. This has caused some discussion at work, as we've been told that all trains should be described as a T123 (pending alterations to the destination kit). This is at variance with the TfL website and the Train Describers you've noticed. Discussions are continuing as many of us maintain we should be sending a consistent message out to the travelling public and trains should be described as to their correct destination (ie T4 or T123 as appropriate). -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
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, Mizter T writes At Hyde Park Corner station on Sunday, I noticed that the train indicators said: 1st Heathrow Terms 123 & 5 2nd Rayners Lane 3rd Heathrow Term 4 Are trains already running in this pattern, or is the Picc just trying to confuse tourists (and the odd Londoner)? It's just a reminder to flyers that they need to read the terms and conditions for using Heathrow airport. Term 5 is a new part of the terms and conditions which specifies that all shoppers... ahem, flyers, must carry either a platinum credit card or GBP 1,000 in cash as they make the short 5 mile walk from security through the airport terminal building past the glittering array of tempting retail outlets to their departure gate Meanwhile Rayners Lane is a mistake - it is a misspelling of Ryanair line. Those flying with Ryanair are instructed to take the first Ryanair line train - after a short hop to the end of the line they will then transfer to a bus that will take them on the short journey from the Harrow area out to London Caernarfon Airport, where they can then catch their Ryanair flight to Vienna's Bratislava airport. Please note that any Ryanair passengers who make use of the train indicator will be charged an 'optional provision of essential information' fee of £2.50 (exc. VAT) - also note that a fee handling charge of 50p applies, and anyone paying using methods other than Ryanair payment vouchers will be surcharged a 30% admin fee. Now that made me genuinely ROFL! Good man! -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
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, at 15:18:54 on Tue, 22 Jan 2008, Mr Thant remarked: The experience at T1,2,3 is very different. Whereas before all trains went to central London and there was usually one waiting, tourists now have to grasp not boarding a westbound train (which currently isn't even allowed) then have to scrum get onboard a passing eastbound. I'm not sure that's the end of the world, because tourists don't necessarily expect to board a train at a terminus station. For example, already at the T123 Heathrow Express station, or Schiphol. -- Roland Perry |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
On 23 Jan, 01:56, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:
In message , Stef Richards writes At Hyde Park Corner station on Sunday, I noticed that the train indicators said: 1st Heathrow Terms 123 & 5 2nd Rayners Lane 3rd Heathrow Term 4 Are trains already running in this pattern, or is the Picc just trying to confuse tourists (and the odd Londoner)? This is now how the timetable is operated since 13 January. T4 trains stand for 7-8 mins at T4 though, and T5 trains will operate as a direct T123 train, detrain, and then work to T5 with an instructor for driver training purposes. Therefore passengers for T123 are generally better getting the following T123 & 5 train as they will reach their destination quicker. Specifically catching a T123 & 5 train is what I've been led to believe is best, from past discussions here, given the delay on a T4 train as it stands at T4 (incidentally is there a change of driver here, or do you just get a break?). However I did read one post on the District Dave forum (I think) that suggested that catching a via T4 loop train to reach T123 & 5 wasn't really a big deal. There is a T4 train only every 10 minutes now. I don't know the ins and outs of the Piccadilly timetable, but the TfL journey planner certainly seems to suggest that there is also only a 10 minute service to T123 (for a journey from Hyde Park Corner at around midday today). If this is the case there could be problems if all passengers in central London who want to go to T123 & 5 (when it opens) rather than T4 wait for the appropriate train - the T4 loop trains could end up rather empty and the others rather full. I'm sure you've all had such discussions, but what's your take on that? Also (and this demonstrates my lack of Pic line operational knowledge), is it worth getting a Rayners Lane train and changing at Acton Town? This has caused some discussion at work, as we've been told that all trains should be described as a T123 (pending alterations to the destination kit). This is at variance with the TfL website and the Train Describers you've noticed. Discussions are continuing as many of us maintain we should be sending a consistent message out to the travelling public and trains should be described as to their correct destination (ie T4 or T123 as appropriate). I have to agree with you on that one. Getting two conflicting bits of information is genuinely confusing. When might the destination kit on the train get altered? |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
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, at 01:33:23 on Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Mizter T remarked: Also (and this demonstrates my lack of Pic line operational knowledge), is it worth getting a Rayners Lane train and changing at Acton Town? On the basis that "a train in the platform is worth two on the departure board" it is *always* worth getting one as far as you can, then changing, if you are at all time-constrained on the journey. For all you know, just after you've passed Hammersmith someone will jump onto the lines there, and then your only hope of getting to LHR for the next couple of hours will be an ad-hoc shuttle service from Acton Town. -- Roland Perry |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
On 23 Jan, 01:01, Mizter T wrote:
On 22 Jan, 23:04, Stef Richards wrote: as they make the short 5 mile walk from security through the airport terminal building past the glittering array of tempting retail outlets to their departure gate Having taken part in a passenger trial last Saturday, I speak from experience when I tell you that it's a lot shorter than you think it is....I was suitably impressed - although NOT with the current signage - it stinks! No one could find the baggage area when coming through EU arrivals, for instance! This has caused some discussion at work, as we've been told that all trains should be described as a T123 (pending alterations to the destination kit). This is at variance with the TfL website and the Train Describers you've noticed. Discussions are continuing as many of us maintain we should be sending a consistent message out to the travelling public and trains should be described as to their correct destination (ie T4 or T123 as appropriate). All it says now at Hatton Cross is 'check front of train' on the indicator boards - not a lot of bloody use, when the trains all still have T123 on the front. THe drivers are meant to make announcements, but there were no staff on the platform & if the driver makes no announcement on train, or if they do & your sat on the platform seats, you have no time to reach the train before the doors are shut.....Grrrrr |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 01:33:23 on Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Mizter T remarked: Also (and this demonstrates my lack of Pic line operational knowledge), is it worth getting a Rayners Lane train and changing at Acton Town? On the basis that "a train in the platform is worth two on the departure board" it is *always* worth getting one as far as you can, then changing, if you are at all time-constrained on the journey. For all you know, just after you've passed Hammersmith someone will jump onto the lines there, and then your only hope of getting to LHR for the next couple of hours will be an ad-hoc shuttle service from Acton Town. -- Roland Perry I certainly operate on that principle, no doubt. However others don't - or more likely they're a bit more sensible and less likely to cut it fine than I am - so I'm just wondering what advice I should give anyone who asks. As well as the hassle of moving bags from train to platform to train (not something I'd find an issue but others would), there's also the possibility that one loses out on a potential seat for the whole journey (again not a great concern of mine, though I did once struggle to find a space when getting on a very packed Heathrow-bound Pic line train at Acton Town). |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
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, Mizter T writes Specifically catching a T123 & 5 train is what I've been led to believe is best, from past discussions here, given the delay on a T4 train as it stands at T4 (incidentally is there a change of driver here, or do you just get a break?). However I did read one post on the District Dave forum (I think) that suggested that catching a via T4 loop train to reach T123 & 5 wasn't really a big deal. To be honest, the benefit would be a few minutes only, but people will always try and get there the quickest way. I can envisage a few anxious people sat on a train at T4 when we stand for 7 minutes as they have cut it fine for H123. There is no change of driver at T4. WE just sit in the train/go for a walk/PNR as we need to. If the train is running late, we're still allowed 4 minutes stand anyway to be able to have a PNR (Personal Needs Relief!) There is a T4 train only every 10 minutes now. I don't know the ins and outs of the Piccadilly timetable, but the TfL journey planner certainly seems to suggest that there is also only a 10 minute service to T123 (for a journey from Hyde Park Corner at around midday today). Which is what I say below about information from different places contradicting itself. All (Heathrow) trains do call at T123, just that the T4 ones take about 10 minutes longer to get there. If this is the case there could be problems if all passengers in central London who want to go to T123 & 5 (when it opens) rather than T4 wait for the appropriate train - the T4 loop trains could end up rather empty and the others rather full. I'm sure you've all had such discussions, but what's your take on that? The T4 trains will actually display T4 & 123 as a destination; the T5 trains will show T123 & 5 as a destination. Also (and this demonstrates my lack of Pic line operational knowledge), is it worth getting a Rayners Lane train and changing at Acton Town? Very rarely. Occasionally a Heathrow train will be brought out of the sidings, but it's more common for Heathrow trains to run through. This has caused some discussion at work, as we've been told that all trains should be described as a T123 (pending alterations to the destination kit). This is at variance with the TfL website and the Train Describers you've noticed. Discussions are continuing as many of us maintain we should be sending a consistent message out to the travelling public and trains should be described as to their correct destination (ie T4 or T123 as appropriate). I have to agree with you on that one. Getting two conflicting bits of information is genuinely confusing. When might the destination kit on the train get altered? When T5 actually opens to the general public apparently. -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 01:33:23 on Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Mizter T remarked: Also (and this demonstrates my lack of Pic line operational knowledge), is it worth getting a Rayners Lane train and changing at Acton Town? On the basis that "a train in the platform is worth two on the departure board" it is *always* worth getting one as far as you can, then changing, if you are at all time-constrained on the journey. For all you know, just after you've passed Hammersmith someone will jump onto the lines there, and then your only hope of getting to LHR for the next couple of hours will be an ad-hoc shuttle service from Acton Town. At Kennington Bank Branch Southbound the other day, my train stopped for about 6 minutes. A train pulled in on the C+ platform, which usually means it's going to terminate, and then all the passengers will come over to fill up the bank train. But instead it was a through train, and left Kennington before the bank train did, which then had to wait another couple of minutes (and indeed for another c+, this time terminating, to pull in and unload). Now, the question is, what the **** was the point of this? And why didn't the driver tell us to get off the train and get the c+ service, which would be the quickest way to reach southbound destinations? It felt like something contrived solely for the purpose of ****ing off the passengers. BTN |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
Sir Benjamin Nunn wrote:
At Kennington Bank Branch Southbound the other day, my train stopped for about 6 minutes. A train pulled in on the C+ platform, which usually means it's going to terminate, and then all the passengers will come over to fill up the bank train. But instead it was a through train, and left Kennington before the bank train did, which then had to wait another couple of minutes (and indeed for another c+, this time terminating, to pull in and unload). Now, the question is, what the **** was the point of this? And why didn't the driver tell us to get off the train and get the c+ service, which would be the quickest way to reach southbound destinations? Write to TfL if you want them to do something about it. -- Michael Hoffman |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
On 23 Jan, 15:10, Michael Hoffman wrote:
Sir Benjamin Nunn wrote: At Kennington Bank Branch Southbound the other day, my train stopped for about 6 minutes. A train pulled in on the C+ platform, which usually means it's going to terminate, and then all the passengers will come over to fill up the bank train. But instead it was a through train, and left Kennington before the bank train did, which then had to wait another couple of minutes (and indeed for another c+, this time terminating, to pull in and unload). Now, the question is, what the **** was the point of this? And why didn't the driver tell us to get off the train and get the c+ service, which would be the quickest way to reach southbound destinations? Perhaps the driver of your train didn't know what was going to happen. The through train from the CX branch was presumably let go first as otherwise it would have blocked the platform for the terminating train that was behind it. Of course what should have happened is that the driver should have been given the info and then made an announcement. Platform staff at Kennington do sometimes manage to convey such information. Anyway, I quite agree with Michael's suggestion... Write to TfL if you want them to do something about it. Online contact forms are available he http://www.tfl.gov.uk/contact/default.aspx What you experienced is the kind of thing that really irritates many passengers, including myself, so do tell them about it. I have to say I often simply avoid the whole Kennington shuffle by taking the Victoria line wherever possible. Of course, saying that's no help at all when you're coming from the City or the Borough. |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
"Mizter T" wrote in message ... A train pulled in on the C+ platform, which usually means it's going to terminate, and then all the passengers will come over to fill up the bank train. But instead it was a through train, and left Kennington before the bank train did, which then had to wait another couple of minutes (and indeed for another c+, this time terminating, to pull in and unload). Now, the question is, what the **** was the point of this? And why didn't the driver tell us to get off the train and get the c+ service, which would be the quickest way to reach southbound destinations? Perhaps the driver of your train didn't know what was going to happen. The through train from the CX branch was presumably let go first as otherwise it would have blocked the platform for the terminating train that was behind it. Yeah, like just saying that the next southbound train will leave from the opposite platform. I'm not sure what information those boarding at Kennington (or who had disembarked from a previous terminating CX service) were given. Certainly during the few minutes before and after the CX train came and went, a few people drifted on to the bank train. Online contact forms are available he http://www.tfl.gov.uk/contact/default.aspx What you experienced is the kind of thing that really irritates many passengers, including myself, so do tell them about it. Good idea. I have to say I often simply avoid the whole Kennington shuffle by taking the Victoria line wherever possible. Likewise. Although I always feel ever so slightly guilty about contributing to the Stockwell bottleneck when I do. Of course, saying that's no help at all when you're coming from the City or the Borough. Indeed not, which was the case on this occasion. BTN |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
On Jan 22, 5:01 pm, Mizter T wrote:
then catch their Ryanair flight to Vienna's Bratislava airport. Aawwwww now you were doing well with this windup until you said Vienna Bratislava. If Ryanair operated such a service from London Caernarfon :o) the airport would surely be referred to as Wien Pressburg, which being German language looks as if it is in Austria, Pressburg being the Austrian Empire name for what is now Bratislava. -- Nick |
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, at 12:27:50 on Wed, 23 Jan 2008, D7666 remarked: then catch their Ryanair flight to Vienna's Bratislava airport. Aawwwww now you were doing well with this windup until you said Vienna Bratislava. According to Google Maps, it's 3 minutes quicker to get from Bratislava airport to Vienna, than Stansted to London. -- Roland Perry |
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On 23 Jan, 22:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:27:50 on Wed, 23 Jan 2008, D7666 remarked: then catch their Ryanair flight to Vienna's Bratislava airport. Aawwwww now you were doing well with this windup until you said Vienna Bratislava. According to Google Maps, it's 3 minutes quicker to get from Bratislava airport to Vienna, than Stansted to London. -- Roland Perry Now you're spoiling all the fun! It isn't as far though: Bratislava airport to Vienna - 54.3 miles Stansted to London - 38.2 miles Incidentally Google Maps has seemingly decided to buck the convention of measuring distances to London from the (original) Charing Cross and chooses Parliament Square as the endpoint for a generic London destination. I'm tempted to say that you could do London - Stansted somewhat faster, though I know that Essex police are quite keen on their speed cameras up the M11. Of course in heavy traffic you can also do it somewhat slower! Anyway, what is Ryanair's most ridiculous 'renamed' destination airport? |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
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, at 16:24:45 on Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Mizter T remarked: Anyway, what is Ryanair's most ridiculous 'renamed' destination airport? The one that started it all was Oslo (Torp) which is also 54 miles away it seems; but Frankfurt (Hahn) is 65 miles, Stockholm (Skavsta) 56 miles, Stockholm (Vasteras) 54 miles, Paris (Beauvais) 42 miles. -- Roland Perry |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
On 23 Jan, 11:11, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:
All (Heathrow) trains do call at T123, just that the T4 ones take about 10 minutes longer to get there. (snip) The T4 trains will actually display T4 & 123 as a destination; the T5 trains will show T123 & 5 as a destination. So for people heading to T123 in a hurry, and the first train is to T4 & 123, perhaps the best strategy is to board it anyway and then lean out of the carriage at Hatton Cross to see if the platform departure indicator (assuming that there is one) shows a T123 & 5 train less than (say) eight minutes behind. PaulO |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:24:45 on Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Mizter T remarked: Anyway, what is Ryanair's most ridiculous 'renamed' destination airport? The one that started it all was Oslo (Torp) which is also 54 miles away it seems; but Frankfurt (Hahn) is 65 miles, Stockholm (Skavsta) 56 miles, Stockholm (Vasteras) 54 miles, Paris (Beauvais) 42 miles. Clapham (Junction) 2 miles, Islington (Highbury &) 1 mile |
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In message , at 14:33:58 on Thu,
24 Jan 2008, John Rowland remarked: The one that started it all was Oslo (Torp) which is also 54 miles away it seems; but Frankfurt (Hahn) is 65 miles, Stockholm (Skavsta) 56 miles, Stockholm (Vasteras) 54 miles, Paris (Beauvais) 42 miles. Clapham (Junction) 2 miles, Islington (Highbury &) 1 mile Mornington Crescent 26 miles (yes, really; Mornington is a road near Welwyn). -- Roland Perry |
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On 24 Jan, 14:47, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:33:58 on Thu, 24 Jan 2008, John Rowland remarked: The one that started it all was Oslo (Torp) which is also 54 miles away it seems; but Frankfurt (Hahn) is 65 miles, Stockholm (Skavsta) 56 miles, Stockholm (Vasteras) 54 miles, Paris (Beauvais) 42 miles. Clapham (Junction) 2 miles, Islington (Highbury &) 1 mile Ha! You have a point John... Mornington Crescent 26 miles (yes, really; Mornington is a road near Welwyn). -- Roland Perry ....but oh dear, we could go on all day about this! Loughborough (Junction), 116 miles. Which reminds me, given the potential for confusion it has unwittingly spawned, I must find out why Loughborough Road, on the edge of Brixton, was so named... |
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Mizter T wrote:
On 24 Jan, 14:47, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:33:58 on Thu, 24 Jan 2008, John Rowland remarked: The one that started it all was Oslo (Torp) which is also 54 miles away it seems; but Frankfurt (Hahn) is 65 miles, Stockholm (Skavsta) 56 miles, Stockholm (Vasteras) 54 miles, Paris (Beauvais) 42 miles. Clapham (Junction) 2 miles, Islington (Highbury &) 1 mile Ha! You have a point John... Mornington Crescent 26 miles (yes, really; Mornington is a road near Welwyn). ...but oh dear, we could go on all day about this! We'll see ... Loughborough (Junction), 116 miles. Cyprus 1994 miles Albany (Park) 3384 miles West India (Quay) 4704 miles Beat that! tom -- DO NOT WANT! |
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:02:37 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Mizter T wrote: On 24 Jan, 14:47, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:33:58 on Thu, 24 Jan 2008, John Rowland remarked: The one that started it all was Oslo (Torp) which is also 54 miles away it seems; but Frankfurt (Hahn) is 65 miles, Stockholm (Skavsta) 56 miles, Stockholm (Vasteras) 54 miles, Paris (Beauvais) 42 miles. Clapham (Junction) 2 miles, Islington (Highbury &) 1 mile Ha! You have a point John... Mornington Crescent 26 miles (yes, really; Mornington is a road near Welwyn). ...but oh dear, we could go on all day about this! We'll see ... Loughborough (Junction), 116 miles. Cyprus 1994 miles Albany (Park) 3384 miles West India (Quay) 4704 miles Beat that! (Cannon Street, closed on) Sun(days), 93 million miles :-) |
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On 24 Jan, 17:29, James Farrar wrote:
(Cannon Street, closed on) Sun(days), 93 million miles :-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mars(ton Green) 250 million miles Steve Adams |
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, Mizter T writes Which reminds me, given the potential for confusion it has unwittingly spawned, I must find out why Loughborough Road, on the edge of Brixton, was so named... Named after Lord Loughborough, who once owned a mansion there. -- Paul Terry |
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On 24 Jan, 18:33, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Mizter T writes Which reminds me, given the potential for confusion it has unwittingly spawned, I must find out why Loughborough Road, on the edge of Brixton, was so named... Named after Lord Loughborough, who once owned a mansion there. -- Paul Terry Thanks Paul. I'll read up on him at some point. There aren't any mansions there now, but there's still some big grand houses dotted around and about. |
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On 24 Jan, 13:57, Paul Oter wrote:
On 23 Jan, 11:11, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote: All (Heathrow) trains do call at T123, just that the T4 ones take about 10 minutes longer to get there. (snip) The T4 trains will actually display T4 & 123 as a destination; the T5 trains will show T123 & 5 as a destination. So for people heading to T123 in a hurry, and the first train is to T4 & 123, perhaps the best strategy is to board it anyway and then lean out of the carriage at Hatton Cross to see if the platform departure indicator (assuming that there is one) shows a T123 & 5 train less than (say) eight minutes behind. PaulO I'm not sure there is a "train describer" (in endearing LU lingo) at Hatton Cross - but if there isn't one, there needs to be! |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:33:23 -0800 (PST), Mizter T wrote:
If this is the case there could be problems if all passengers in central London who want to go to T123 & 5 (when it opens) rather than T4 wait for the appropriate train - the T4 loop trains could end up rather empty and the others rather full. I seriously doubt there are enough Heathrow passengers for it to cause significant problems. |
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, Mizter T writes The T4 trains will actually display T4 & 123 as a destination; the T5 trains will show T123 & 5 as a destination. So for people heading to T123 in a hurry, and the first train is to T4 & 123, perhaps the best strategy is to board it anyway and then lean out of the carriage at Hatton Cross to see if the platform departure indicator (assuming that there is one) shows a T123 & 5 train less than (say) eight minutes behind. PaulO I'm not sure there is a "train describer" (in endearing LU lingo) at Hatton Cross - but if there isn't one, there needs to be! There is now - it went in a month or two ago when the signalling work was being done for T5. -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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On Jan 24, 1:57 pm, Paul Oter wrote:
On 23 Jan, 11:11, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote: All (Heathrow) trains do call at T123, just that the T4 ones take about 10 minutes longer to get there. (snip) The T4 trains will actually display T4 & 123 as a destination; the T5 trains will show T123 & 5 as a destination. So for people heading to T123 in a hurry, and the first train is to T4 & 123, perhaps the best strategy is to board it anyway and then lean out of the carriage at Hatton Cross to see if the platform departure indicator (assuming that there is one) shows a T123 & 5 train less than (say) eight minutes behind. PaulO As some posters here will know it is very rare to have a Picc line train less than 10 mins late! |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message , Mizter T writes The T4 trains will actually display T4 & 123 as a destination; the T5 trains will show T123 & 5 as a destination. So for people heading to T123 in a hurry, and the first train is to T4 & 123, perhaps the best strategy is to board it anyway and then lean out of the carriage at Hatton Cross to see if the platform departure indicator (assuming that there is one) shows a T123 & 5 train less than (say) eight minutes behind. PaulO I'm not sure there is a "train describer" (in endearing LU lingo) at Hatton Cross - but if there isn't one, there needs to be! There is now - it went in a month or two ago when the signalling work was being done for T5. Last Thursday it was showing "Check front of train" for all trains, which wasn't much use, especially if, as someone said earlier, even the T4 trains say HEATHROW T1,2,3 on the front. Is that true? If so, it's typical of the shambles that LU have made of the Heathrow change. Last week, none of the line diagrams in the trains or on the platforms had been changed, so they all showed Hatton Cross - T4 - T123 in a straight line, highly misleading for T4 passengers. There were some posters in Piccadilly Line ticket halls saying vaguely that there were some changes in the Heathrow area, and that people should listen for announcements at Hounslow West and Hatton Cross. These posters would not be seen by people joining the Picc from another line. The arrangement was quite well covered by the auto-announcer on the trains. After leaving Hounslow West, it said that T4 passengers should change at the next station, Hatton Cross, and wait for a train to T4. This is sensible as it gives passengers a couple of minutes' notice that they have to collect their baggage and leave the train. But this plan was scuppered by the station assistant on the platform at Hounslow West announcing that "this train will not call at Terminal 4. Passengers for Terminal 4 should alight here ..." So all the T4 passengers are told this without any notice, having been kept in ignorance until then and lied to by the line diagrams. I spoke to the SA at Hounslow West, who was reluctantly acting under instructions but thought it was daft. He had been told to make the announcement if the driver didn't. And he even had a sheet on which he had to record which train drivers didn't make an announcement. This is crazy, as the auto-announcer is set to make the announcement AFTER leaving Hounslow West. I haven't got round to complaining to LU, having been distracted by events above ground at Heathrow that day. Is all the above still true? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
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writes If this is the case there could be problems if all passengers in central London who want to go to T123 & 5 (when it opens) rather than T4 wait for the appropriate train - the T4 loop trains could end up rather empty and the others rather full. I seriously doubt there are enough Heathrow passengers for it to cause significant problems. I would concur, although the opportunities to confuse passengers are endless and should be avoided if at all possible. -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
On 24 Jan, 21:14, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:
In message , Mizter T writes The T4 trains will actually display T4 & 123 as a destination; the T5 trains will show T123 & 5 as a destination. So for people heading to T123 in a hurry, and the first train is to T4 & 123, perhaps the best strategy is to board it anyway and then lean out of the carriage at Hatton Cross to see if the platform departure indicator (assuming that there is one) shows a T123 & 5 train less than (say) eight minutes behind. PaulO I'm not sure there is a "train describer" (in endearing LU lingo) at Hatton Cross - but if there isn't one, there needs to be! There is now - it went in a month or two ago when the signalling work was being done for T5. Good, I'm glad to hear that. |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
In message , Richard J.
writes Steve Fitzgerald wrote: Last Thursday it was showing "Check front of train" for all trains, which wasn't much use, especially if, as someone said earlier, even the T4 trains say HEATHROW T1,2,3 on the front. Is that true? If so, it's typical of the shambles that LU have made of the Heathrow change. We've had discussions about this. Official instruction is that all Heathrow trains are to display T123. We (the thinking drivers!) feel that T4 trains should display just that, as that is the booked destination for the train and passengers for T123 will get delayed. Discussions continue... The arrangement was quite well covered by the auto-announcer on the trains. After leaving Hounslow West, it said that T4 passengers should change at the next station, Hatton Cross, and wait for a train to T4. This is sensible as it gives passengers a couple of minutes' notice that they have to collect their baggage and leave the train. But this plan was scuppered by the station assistant on the platform at Hounslow West announcing that "this train will not call at Terminal 4. Passengers for Terminal 4 should alight here ..." So all the T4 passengers are told this without any notice, having been kept in ignorance until then and lied to by the line diagrams. Assuming the DVA has been set up correctly by the driver, it will correctly advise passengers on a T123 direct train to change at Hatton X for the next T4 train. I always make an announcement when I'm driving a T4 train to tell T123 passengers that we *will* call there on our return to London but this will delay their journey by around 10 minutes and they may wish to consider the following T123 direct train in about x (x = the number of minutes I've noticed the following train to be) minutes. Not all drivers set up their DVAs properly. The thinking behind doing this business at Hounslow West is that anyone who misses the announcements there has a second chance at Hatton X, which I agree is a good thing. I spoke to the SA at Hounslow West, who was reluctantly acting under instructions but thought it was daft. He had been told to make the announcement if the driver didn't. And he even had a sheet on which he had to record which train drivers didn't make an announcement. This is crazy, as the auto-announcer is set to make the announcement AFTER leaving Hounslow West. Now that's news to me. I now look forward to being summoned into some manager's office to give an explanation as to why I failed to make an appropriate announcement which wasn't needed and was perfectly addressed by the systems they have provided - and cancelling a westbound train into the bargain whilst we discuss this important issue! I haven't got round to complaining to LU, having been distracted by events above ground at Heathrow that day. Is all the above still true? -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
On 24 Jan, 22:29, "Richard J." wrote:
Steve Fitzgerald wrote: In message , Mizter T writes I'm not sure there is a "train describer" (in endearing LU lingo) at Hatton Cross - but if there isn't one, there needs to be! There is now - it went in a month or two ago when the signalling work was being done for T5. Last Thursday it was showing "Check front of train" for all trains, which wasn't much use, especially if, as someone said earlier, even the T4 trains say HEATHROW T1,2,3 on the front. Is that true? If so, it's typical of the shambles that LU have made of the Heathrow change. The describer was still showing "Check front of train" for the next three trains "yesterday" (Wed.) I don't know what was on the front of the train as it was already pulling in when I reached the bottom of the stairs - I can imagine a spate of accidents as people start sprinting the moment they think they hear a train. I can't recall exactly what the internal displays said, but it involved T12 and 3 so I got on, and had a nice ~10 min pause at T4... :( I didn't notice any change to the line diagrams, and forgot to check for a Fantasy Piccadilly Line map. Hth Henry |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:16:55 -0800 (PST), Steve
wrote: On 24 Jan, 17:29, James Farrar wrote: (Cannon Street, closed on) Sun(days), 93 million miles :-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mars(ton Green) 250 million miles I call "foul", based on the fact that the distance between Mars and the Earth is highly variable. (the distance between the Earth and the Sun varies by only 3.4%) :-) |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Mizter T writes Which reminds me, given the potential for confusion it has unwittingly spawned, I must find out why Loughborough Road, on the edge of Brixton, was so named... Named after Lord Loughborough, who once owned a mansion there. Does there have to be a reason for a road to be named after a place? Manchester Rd and Prestons Rd, Gloucester Rd, Devons Rd, Belmont Road... aren't these just arbitrary names? |
Picc Line train indicators display Heathrow Term 5
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Mizter T wrote: On 24 Jan, 14:47, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:33:58 on Thu, 24 Jan 2008, John Rowland remarked: The one that started it all was Oslo (Torp) which is also 54 miles away it seems; but Frankfurt (Hahn) is 65 miles, Stockholm (Skavsta) 56 miles, Stockholm (Vasteras) 54 miles, Paris (Beauvais) 42 miles. Clapham (Junction) 2 miles, Islington (Highbury &) 1 mile Loughborough (Junction), 116 miles. Cyprus 1994 miles Albany (Park) 3384 miles West India (Quay) 4704 miles .... although West India Quay is actually named after the West Indies, not West India. Beat that! Tamworth (Road) 10390 miles |
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