I was initially confused by this last week when using planners to get from
Brighton to Grantham. It would seem illogcal to me to go any other way than
via FCC to St P.

Trainline is fair, but still occasionally thinks going via Victoria and then
Tube is a logical route.

Traveline ditto, although its walking time is 23 minutes rather than 31.

DB Hafas is very confused indeed and even takes you off a FCC train that
goes to St P at London Bridge and puts you onto the Tube.

Planajourney always seems to send you via Victoria and Tube.

Transport Direct ditto. Here you see the logic - 2 mins train to Tube at
Victoria, 10 mins on Tube and 13 mins Tube to KX. Total 25 mins, which is
faster than the 31 minutes walk just at St P.

This is manifestly all very silly and I wonder how many passengers who know
no better are struggling across London with luggage for no sensible reason?

Regarding some of the other responses here, do note that the building work
currently is very much focused on the west side of KX, especially beyond
platform 9 3/4 and along Pancras Road (?). There are ways through, but it is
daunting if you don't walk the route regularly. The road that separates KX
and St P is annoyingly busy too and I believe a bad bit of planning.

I got from FCC to KX in 5 minutes. 10 to 15 is a fair allowance.

David

In article ,
(David Thornhill) wrote:

I was initially confused by this last week when using planners to
get from Brighton to Grantham. It would seem illogcal to me to go
any other way than via FCC to St P.

Thameslink transit times across London can make it quicker to take the
Victoria Line from Victoria to King's Cross, especially with any
misalignment of timetables between FCC and NXEC.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 10 Feb, 16:48, "David Thornhill" wrote:
DB Hafas is very confused indeed and even takes you off a FCC train that
goes to St P at London Bridge and puts you onto the Tube.

It's 18 minutes on Thameslink and 11 minutes on the Northern Line. I
reckon you could get to the concourse at KX a minute or two quicker
going that way.

Planajourney always seems to send you via Victoria and Tube.

Again, the expresses to Victoria are fast enough that it probably is
slightly quicker to go that way rather than use Thameslink.

(not that I don't think taking Thameslink is a good idea, it just
isn't the absolute fastest, which is what these programs are looking
for)

U

--
http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

"Mr Thant" wrote in message
...
On 10 Feb, 16:48, "David Thornhill" wrote:
DB Hafas is very confused indeed and even takes you off a FCC train that
goes to St P at London Bridge and puts you onto the Tube.

It's 18 minutes on Thameslink and 11 minutes on the Northern Line. I
reckon you could get to the concourse at KX a minute or two quicker
going that way.

That's true, but if you're already on an FCC train sitting in London Bridge
and it's going to St P, then you'd probably be mad to abandon the 18 minutes
for an unknown time. As ever, it depends on the exact starting circumstances
and how long you have got for the journey.

Regards

Jonathan

In article ,
(Jonathan Morton) wrote:

"Mr Thant" wrote in message

...
On 10 Feb, 16:48, "David Thornhill" wrote:
DB Hafas is very confused indeed and even takes you off a FCC train
that goes to St P at London Bridge and puts you onto the Tube.

It's 18 minutes on Thameslink and 11 minutes on the Northern Line. I
reckon you could get to the concourse at KX a minute or two quicker
going that way.

That's true, but if you're already on an FCC train sitting in
London Bridge and it's going to St P, then you'd probably be mad to
abandon the 18 minutes for an unknown time. As ever, it depends on
the exact starting circumstances and how long you have got for the
journey.

If you've got as far as London Bridge I generally agree. You'd be
surprised how slow Thameslink travel times between London Bridge and St
Pancras are, though. It's why the Thameslink programme is so needed.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 16:48:18 on
Sun, 10 Feb 2008, David Thornhill remarked:
I was initially confused by this last week when using planners to get from
Brighton to Grantham. It would seem illogcal to me to go any other way than
via FCC to St P.

DB Hafas is very confused indeed and even takes you off a FCC train that
goes to St P at London Bridge and puts you onto the Tube.

That's what I'd do, tube from LB to KX then NXEC. Depending on the
ultimate destination I might also take the tube all the way to Finsbury
Park and change there (but not for Grantham).
--
Roland Perry

On 10 Feb, 18:38, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:48:18 on
Sun, 10 Feb 2008, David Thornhill remarked:

I was initially confused by this last week when using planners to get from
Brighton to Grantham. It would seem illogcal to me to go any other way than
via FCC to St P.
DB Hafas is very confused indeed and even takes you off a FCC train that
goes to St P at London Bridge and puts you onto the Tube.

That's what I'd do, tube from LB to KX then NXEC. Depending on the
ultimate destination I might also take the tube all the way to Finsbury
Park and change there (but not for Grantham).
--
Roland Perry

If you're going for the tube option, forget London Bridge and head to
Victoria instead - it's just 10 minutes journey time on the Victoria
line from there to KXSP or Finsbury Park, or indeed Tottenham Hale or
Seven Sisters as appropriate (all are valid for cross London transfer
with a National Rail Maltese cross ticket).

If I was heading for KXSP and was already on an FCC Thameslink train
at London Bridge I'd stay on it, unless I knew there was trouble
ahead. However if I was arriving at LB not on a Thameslink train I'd
take the tube.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:48:18 GMT, "David Thornhill"
wrote:

I was initially confused by this last week when using planners to get from
Brighton to Grantham. It would seem illogcal to me to go any other way than
via FCC to St P.

Trainline is fair, but still occasionally thinks going via Victoria and then
Tube is a logical route.

Traveline ditto, although its walking time is 23 minutes rather than 31.

DB Hafas is very confused indeed and even takes you off a FCC train that
goes to St P at London Bridge and puts you onto the Tube.

Planajourney always seems to send you via Victoria and Tube.

Transport Direct ditto. Here you see the logic - 2 mins train to Tube at
Victoria, 10 mins on Tube and 13 mins Tube to KX. Total 25 mins, which is
faster than the 31 minutes walk just at St P.

This is manifestly all very silly and I wonder how many passengers who know
no better are struggling across London with luggage for no sensible reason?

Regarding some of the other responses here, do note that the building work
currently is very much focused on the west side of KX, especially beyond
platform 9 3/4 and along Pancras Road (?). There are ways through, but it is
daunting if you don't walk the route regularly. The road that separates KX
and St P is annoyingly busy too and I believe a bad bit of planning.

I got from FCC to KX in 5 minutes. 10 to 15 is a fair allowance.

If you wish to minimise walking, change at Farringdon onto the
Met/H&C/Circle line to Kings Cross/St Pancras. It probably also saves
time.
--
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org