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BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains
BBC News Reports: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm -- To reply direct, Remove NOSPAM and Replace with 21fun For the latest News, Information and Photos check out http://www.railwaysonline.co.uk |
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John Abbot wrote in message ...
Interesting. I thought the Underground still took its juice from Lots Road (ie its own dedicated power station). Or is that closed now? Lots Road is closed, and is in the process of decommissioning. All LU power supply is now taken from the National Grid, via a small number of Bulk Supply Points at strategic points around London. Greenwich power station is retained as a backup supply, normally unused. |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
Joe Patrick wrote in message ...
There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains BBC News Reports: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm Interesting. I thought the Underground still took its juice from Lots Road (ie its own dedicated power station). Or is that closed now? |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
In article , John Abbot
writes Joe Patrick wrote in message ... There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains BBC News Reports: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm Interesting. I thought the Underground still took its juice from Lots Road (ie its own dedicated power station). Or is that closed now? Lots road closed 18 months ago. There is still a back up facility at Greenwich IIRC. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
In article , 3518+3227
writes Greenwich power station is retained as a backup supply, normally unused. Including during the power cut today, perhaps? -- Roland Perry |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
That's odd...
My car performs as normal, despite the power cuts apparently prevalent in the SE. Even the headlights work. |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
In article , Badabing
writes in article , Andrew P Smith at wrote on 28/8/03 8:03 PM: In article , John Abbot writes Joe Patrick wrote in message ... There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains BBC News Reports: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm Interesting. I thought the Underground still took its juice from Lots Road (ie its own dedicated power station). Or is that closed now? Lots road closed 18 months ago. There is still a back up facility at Greenwich IIRC. Someone better look into that 'back up' then, eh? As far as I am aware it kicked in and provided power to shunt the trains back into platforms with. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
"Joe Patrick" wrote in message ...
There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains BBC News Reports: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm Great, all the cross-posted trolls are back X-( -- *** http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/ *** - updated 19 August Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin.co.uk) |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
"Joe Patrick" wrote in message ... There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains BBC News Reports: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm Why isn't this plastered across all the US news channels the way there power cut was across all of ours? |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:02:52 +0100, "Depresion"
wrote: Why isn't this plastered across all the US news channels the way there power cut was across all of ours? I got a CNN Breaking News Alert for it about 10 minutes after it was reported on C4 news - but it wasn't "all over the place", just one story. I guess it's the 11/9 effect, TBH... Neil -- Neil Williams is a valid email address, but is sent to /dev/null. Try my first name at the above domain instead if you want to e-mail me. |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
"Neil Williams" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:02:52 +0100, "Depresion" wrote: Why isn't this plastered across all the US news channels the way there power cut was across all of ours? I got a CNN Breaking News Alert for it about 10 minutes after it was reported on C4 news - but it wasn't "all over the place", just one story. I guess it's the 11/9 effect, TBH... Neil -- Neil Williams is a valid email address, but is sent to /dev/null. Try my first name at the above domain instead if you want to e-mail me. And of course ALL will blame the railways as it being their fault. Just seen it on the news and so many sad prats down there are NOT listening, it was a national grid fault NOT the bloody transports. When will commuters shut their gobs and be grateful. |
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BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
"Joe Patrick" wrote in message ...
There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains BBC News Reports: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm Wow - I just missed that, having got the 18:57 from Victoria. Not at all clear what happened. Various media reports are pointing to a massive failure either at Wimbledon or New Cross. Another report mentions a failure in a 275kV ring around London. I'm not paying much attention to detail until someone with a clue make a statement. Where I live (Sutton) was not affected (power comes from down south perhaps?). Where I work (S Kensington) wasn't affected either - or at least my work place wasn't - I was dreading the prosect of finding serveral dozen servers dead - but no, they're still there (phew). I have a feeling that the de-regulation of the power indutry may have something to do with this. There has been some fairly gross stupidity evident in what used to be a very resilient power system since de-regulation. If doubt I usually blame the Tories ill conceived privatisation plans for most things - and New Labour for not reversing them (but that's just me). Then again, maybe it was a genuine fault or terrorist action - guess we'll find out soon enough. At least, by all accounts, there was some fairly rapid evacuation of parts of the tube this time, instead of leaving the poor sods to stew in the tunnels. Cheers Timbo |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
"Tim Southerwood" wrote in message om... At least, by all accounts, there was some fairly rapid evacuation of parts of the tube this time, instead of leaving the poor sods to stew in the tunnels. So quick that it appears that when power was available again (the grid outage lasted about 40 minutes) passengers were being evacuated from trains stranded in tunnels, so traction power could not be restored. As was to be expected, though, a collapse of the service for a reason outside the control of the railways was accompanied by a collapse of information. The Connex website even managed to proclaim 'no major problems'. Peter |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:27:11 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Masson"
wrote: [...] As was to be expected, though, a collapse of the service for a reason outside the control of the railways was accompanied by a collapse of information. The Connex website even managed to proclaim 'no major problems'. TfL's site earlier helpfully said that there was no travel information because of the power cut. If they were able to upload a specific message to the site, why wasn't anything useful posted? Shouldn't they have someone on call to do things like this? Now they are telling us to ask at a local station as most services are "affected". A list of lines that have service, and a plea not to travel at all would be more useful. I'm sure everyone on the ground is doing their bit, but where's the coordination? And as for the other train companies... Connex are still "running well", though their train running pages are quite helpful. SWT's news about the delays is two clicks away from the home page and should IMHO be much more prominent. c2c useless. SouthCentral useless. Silverlink - gave up. Of the TOC sites I looked at, only WAGN have news about the power cut on their first page. National Rail has a very nice obvious link to the current disruptions page, however once you get to the page, the information about tonight's delays has gone! Even though most people affected won't be in front of a web browser, it depresses me how little use was made of the medium by the operators. Richard. |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
Depresion wrote:
Why isn't this plastered across all the US news channels the way there power cut was across all of ours? Because their power cut was funny! |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
Joe Patrick wrote:
There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains BBC News Reports: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm I struggled to get back home tonight and I live in North London. I can sort of understand why the tube to my part of the world was totally buggered, but any ideas why a power cut in South London should wipe out virtually all the local trains from Kings Cross (and Euston)as well? |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
On 28 Aug 2003 21:12:10 GMT, (Huge) wrote:
"JNugent" writes: That's odd... My car performs as normal, despite the power cuts apparently prevalent in the SE. Even the headlights work. *laugh* That was my first thought. Although apparently the traffic lights are buggered too, so the traffic's a nightmare. I came home early and missed it... I had the afternoon off; normally I would have been en route on the Picc at the time the power went down. Typical! Missed all the fun.... -- Nick Cooper [Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!] The London Underground at War: http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm 625-Online - classic British television: http://www.625.org.uk 'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic: http://www.thingstocome.org.uk |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
In message , Rich Mackin
writes Great, all the cross-posted trolls are back X-( I think news about a power cut affecting London Transport, National Rail is pretty much suited to the three groups it was cross posted to. -- CJG |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
In message , dvr
writes When will commuters shut their gobs and be grateful. Well personally I would like to shake the hand of National Rail and thank him for high fares, constant delays and ****ty dirty trains to travel in. And there a box of chocolates on my way to him to show him my appreciation for the bank holiday train service. I think I speak for every commuter in SE England and possibly the country when I say we have the best rail system in the world and every day I praise god for allowing me to live in a country which has this service. -- CJG |
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BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
"JNugent" wrote in message ... wrote: writes That's odd... My car performs as normal, despite the power cuts apparently prevalent in the SE. Even the headlights work. Useful when crossing junctions where the traffic lights are out, or do you just power through and trust to God? Malfunctioning traffic lights are an everyday occurrence - and present no problem to those with common sense. Treat the junction as a mini roundabout if the lights are out. Works a treat - provided everyone else does! |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
wrote:
"JNugent" wrote: wrote: writes That's odd... My car performs as normal, despite the power cuts apparently prevalent in the SE. Even the headlights work. Useful when crossing junctions where the traffic lights are out, or do you just power through and trust to God? Malfunctioning traffic lights are an everyday occurrence - and present no problem to those with common sense. Treat the junction as a mini roundabout if the lights are out. Works a treat - provided everyone else does! Absolutely. |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
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There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains BBC News Reports: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm Well, for some reason, the BBC are treating this (as I write) as their *top national* news story, whereas Blair's hand in the death of Dr Kelly is relegated to "other items in the news" status. http://news.bbc.co.uk/ |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:00:20 +0100, Road Runner
wrote: Depresion wrote: Why isn't this plastered across all the US news channels the way there power cut was across all of ours? A 34 minute power failure affecting 10m people is far less serious than an 8 hour power failure affecting 50m people. Let's not kid ourselves - if those times and numbers had been reversed, _we_ would still have heard of the events in the US, but most Americans would be blissly unaware of what happened here. Yanks don't do "foreign," remember. -- Nick Cooper [Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!] The London Underground at War: http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm 625-Online - classic British television: http://www.625.org.uk 'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic: http://www.thingstocome.org.uk |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:40:15 +0100, Joe Patrick wrote:
There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains BBC News Reports: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm This one made me laugh http://thisislondon.co.uk/news/artic...ing%20Standard Quoting one affected passenger: "I am so angry and frustrated," he said. "But this is what you come to expect from the Tube. I am especially fed up with how the slightest thing goes wrong and then everything falls completely apart. The other thing we are rarely offered is alternative ways of getting home. I will be asking for compensation." Slightest thing? That's a good one! What would it take for him to accept something as actually not being the railways' fault? Charing X being nuked perhaps... Or perhaps all the railway staff should have plugged their bicycle dynamos into the juicer and pedalled their hearts out... Someone should be getting their balls on the line for yesterday, but it's not the railways as far as I can see. Cheers Timbo |
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"Richard" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:27:11 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Masson" wrote: [...] As was to be expected, though, a collapse of the service for a reason outside the control of the railways was accompanied by a collapse of information. The Connex website even managed to proclaim 'no major problems'. Connex are based on the South Bank, so I guess they would have been in the dark for a while as well... Mark |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:14:09 +0100 someone who may be Roland Perry
wrote this:- In article , 3518+3227 writes Greenwich power station is retained as a backup supply, normally unused. Including during the power cut today, perhaps? That's one of a number of questions which they will have to answer. I see that journalists were beginning to ask this question this morning. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000. |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains BBC News
Reports: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm I thought that the tube had emergency lights (well the signs on the 1992 stock say so!) -- To reply direct, Remove NOSPAM and Replace with 21fun For the latest News, Information and Photos check out http://www.railwaysonline.co.uk |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:03:37 +0100 someone who may be "Tim
Southerwood" wrote this:- Someone should be getting their balls on the line for yesterday, but it's not the railways as far as I can see. Largely, however there are questions for the railways about whether a failure on this relatively small scale should have affected services over such a wide area. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000. |
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"JNugent" wrote the following
in: wrote: "JNugent" wrote: Malfunctioning traffic lights are an everyday occurrence - and present no problem to those with common sense. Treat the junction as a mini roundabout if the lights are out. Works a treat - provided everyone else does! Absolutely. I can't imagine every else doing it though, considering the fact it's hard enough to get people to treat actual mini roundabouts as mini roundabouts. I never cease to be amazed by how few people actually observe the two mini roundabouts near my house. Even worse are the people who shout abuse at you and make rude gestures when you pull out in front of them, acting as if they have right of way! -- message by Robin May, founder of International Boyism "Would Inspector Sands please go to the Operations Room immediately." Unofficially immune to hangovers. |
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"JNugent" wrote in message ... wrote: There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains BBC News Reports: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm Well, for some reason, the BBC are treating this (as I write) as their *top national* news story, whereas Blair's hand in the death of Dr Kelly is relegated to "other items in the news" status. http://news.bbc.co.uk/ Your not suggesting some form of conspiracy like realising bad news on the day of a royal funeral or bombing Iraq the day you are testifying in Zipergate? |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:19:12 +0100, "Joe Patrick"
wrote: snip all lines More commuters complaining: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3190055.stm "The infrastructure is terrible - it's really quite worrying" More funny quotes - click the link above! Poor little darlings, send em up to Scotland for the winter and see what they think of that. -- This post does not reflect the opinions of all saggy cloth cats be they a bit loose at the seams or not GSX600F - Matilda the (now) two eared teapot, complete with white gaffer tape, though no rectal chainsaw |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:59:48 +0100, "Depresion"
wrote: "JNugent" wrote in message ... wrote: There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains BBC News Reports: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm Well, for some reason, the BBC are treating this (as I write) as their *top national* news story, whereas Blair's hand in the death of Dr Kelly is relegated to "other items in the news" status. http://news.bbc.co.uk/ Your not suggesting some form of conspiracy like realising bad news on the day of a royal funeral or bombing Iraq the day you are testifying in Zipergate? As soemone else mentioned he probably shorted out the grid whilst changing his arze lightbulb as the light shining out of it was dulling off badly. -- This post does not reflect the opinions of all saggy cloth cats be they a bit loose at the seams or not GSX600F - Matilda the (now) two eared teapot, complete with white gaffer tape, though no rectal chainsaw |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:08:39 +0100 someone who may be "Joe Patrick"
wrote this:- I thought that the tube had emergency lights (well the signs on the 1992 stock say so!) They are only of limited use, allowing people to see a little. As for stations (in the central area) originally there had to be two sources of electricity (Lots Road and Greenwich in later years) by law. This was revised in drawing up the PFI deal and the stations were fitted with battery powered emergency lights. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000. |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
In article , David Hansen
writes there are questions for the railways about whether a failure on this relatively small scale should have affected services over such a wide area. The report I saw said the grid fault was at Wimbledon. Is it possible that most of the Underground's power is brought in that way - it would plumb into the existing wiring from Lots Rd rather easily. -- "It used to be that what a writer did was type a bit and then stare out of the window a bit, type a bit, stare out of the window a bit. Networked computers make these two activities converge, because now the thing you type on and the window you stare out of are the same thing" - Douglas Adams 28/1/99. |
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In message , Roland Perry
writes The report I saw said the grid fault was at Wimbledon. Is it possible that most of the Underground's power is brought in that way - it would plumb into the existing wiring from Lots Rd rather easily. I don't believe so - in fact traction current on the District's Wimbledon branch is supplied by Railtrack, IIRC. When plans for closing Lot's Road were drawn up it was stated that there would be three bulk supply points on the National Grid for London Underground, any two of which could keep the system running if there was a failure - so I guess at least two supply points must have failed. (The effects of the power cut seemed to be very localised - we live only 2 or 3 miles from Wimbledon and were not affected at all). -- Paul Terry |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
"Paul Terry" wrote in message
... When plans for closing Lot's Road were drawn up it was stated that there would be three bulk supply points on the National Grid for London Underground, any two of which could keep the system running if there was a failure - so I guess at least two supply points must have failed. So, triple redundancy (almost) like you have on airliners. Three separate feeders into each supply point would be ideal, or two with a standby generator and a UPS as an alternative. -- Terry Harper, Web Co-ordinator, The Omnibus Society http://www.omnibussoc.org E-mail: URL: http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/ |
BREAKING NEWS!! Power Cut affecting Railways in the South East
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:03:37 +0100, Tim Southerwood wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:40:15 +0100, Joe Patrick wrote: There has been a power cut, affecting the Tube and trains BBC News Reports: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3189755.stm snip Someone should be getting their balls on the line for yesterday, but it's not the railways as far as I can see. Why? You and everyone are now paying the price for the privatisation of the electricity supply industry, as well as the railways, and everything else that previous governments refused to invest in properly. The ESI was built up with a tremendous amount of fat in the system, but all of that was taken out in the quest for profit and fat dividend payouts. |
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