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LT strip diagrams in carriages
I was on the Circle last week and became aware of a change in the
representation of underground/NR interchanges on the in car diagrams. It seemed to me that instead of indicating the places like Victoria provide access to National Rail you now get an emphasis on airport connections. How long has it been like this? |
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On 14 Feb, 15:17, "Graham Harrison"
wrote: I was on the Circle last week and became aware of a change in the representation of underground/NR interchanges on the in car diagrams. It seemed to me that instead of indicating the places like Victoria provide access to National Rail you now get an emphasis on airport connections. How long has it been like this? The line diagrams actually provide bith sets of information if appropriate - at stations that provide interchange with National Rail (NR), the station itself is indicated with the interchange station symbol (a white circle with a black outline) as well as an NR (or indeed BR) double arrow symbol. At interchanges where NR provides a train service to airports this is additionally indicated in the box below. This is the PDF of the combined Circle and H&C lines' diagram, which also features the and District line's 'Wimbleware' section: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...h-and-City.pdf The other line diagrams are as follows (courtesy of Walter Briscoe who recently provided the links in a post on a recent thread): http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/bakerloo.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/central.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/district.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/jubilee.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/metropolitan.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/northern.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/piccadilly.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/victoria.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...looandCity.pdf |
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"Mizter T" wrote in message ... On 14 Feb, 15:17, "Graham Harrison" wrote: I was on the Circle last week and became aware of a change in the representation of underground/NR interchanges on the in car diagrams. It seemed to me that instead of indicating the places like Victoria provide access to National Rail you now get an emphasis on airport connections. How long has it been like this? The line diagrams actually provide bith sets of information if appropriate - at stations that provide interchange with National Rail (NR), the station itself is indicated with the interchange station symbol (a white circle with a black outline) as well as an NR (or indeed BR) double arrow symbol. At interchanges where NR provides a train service to airports this is additionally indicated in the box below. This is the PDF of the combined Circle and H&C lines' diagram, which also features the and District line's 'Wimbleware' section: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...h-and-City.pdf The other line diagrams are as follows (courtesy of Walter Briscoe who recently provided the links in a post on a recent thread): http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/bakerloo.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/central.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/district.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/jubilee.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/metropolitan.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/northern.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/piccadilly.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/victoria.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...looandCity.pdf I see what you mean. However, I think it's less than clear. Is my memory getting bad or did stations like Victoria used to have the double arrow and something along the lines of "Change for British (or National) Rail" as text where it currently has "Trains to Gatwick"? |
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On 14 Feb, 16:54, Mizter T wrote:
The line diagrams actually provide bith sets of information if appropriate - at stations that provide interchange with National Rail (NR), the station itself is indicated with the interchange station symbol (a white circle with a black outline) as well as an NR (or indeed BR) double arrow symbol. At interchanges where NR provides a train service to airports this is additionally indicated in the box below. And if anyone looked carefully enough they would see, indirectly, that (during the day especially) it can be quicker to alight at Blackfriars or Farringdon and use FCC Thameslink to cut quite a bit of time off a journey. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it at off-peak times when TL services aren't so frequent - but, that said, if you have a timetable you could still do it. Jonathan |
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:54:48 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote: This is the PDF of the combined Circle and H&C lines' diagram, which also features the and District line's 'Wimbleware' section: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...h-and-City.pdf The other line diagrams are as follows (courtesy of Walter Briscoe who recently provided the links in a post on a recent thread): http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/bakerloo.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/central.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/district.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/jubilee.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/metropolitan.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/northern.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/piccadilly.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/victoria.pdf http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...looandCity.pdf Speaking of which, I've recently started travelling regularly on the Victoria line and noticed that the line diagrams are no longer "handed"... when did this change? |
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Graham Harrison wrote:
I was on the Circle last week and became aware of a change in the representation of underground/NR interchanges on the in car diagrams. It seemed to me that instead of indicating the places like Victoria provide access to National Rail you now get an emphasis on airport connections. How long has it been like this? It's been like this since at least September 2006, as that's when I complained to LUL about the District Line diagram showing "Trains to Heathrow" from Ealing Broadway, which is an advert for a rival company (Heathrow Connect). I was triggered to do that by an anxious passenger who had been advised correctly to change to the Piccadilly at Acton Town, but then noticed the contrary advice on the line diagram, and asked for my help in resolving his dilemma. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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On 14 Feb, 17:06, "Richard J." wrote:
Graham Harrison wrote: I was on the Circle last week and became aware of a change in the representation of underground/NR interchanges on the in car diagrams. It seemed to me that instead of indicating the places like Victoria provide access to National Rail you now get an emphasis on airport connections. How long has it been like this? It's been like this since at least September 2006, as that's when I complained to LUL about the District Line diagram showing "Trains to Heathrow" from Ealing Broadway, which is an advert for a rival company (Heathrow Connect). I was triggered to do that by an anxious passenger who had been advised correctly to change to the Piccadilly at Acton Town, but then noticed the contrary advice on the line diagram, and asked for my help in resolving his dilemma. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) I think it's somewhat absurd to consider provision of such information in terms of being an "advert for a rival company" - I'm certainly not in favour of LU readopting their old territorial ways that they used to have with regards to British Rail / National Rail. However the specific point you make with regards to Ealing Broadway being indicated as an interchange point for "Trains to Heathrow" is one I very much agree with - on seeing the District line diagrams which featured this the capacity for confusion that they could cause was one of the first things that came to mind, given that most Heathrow bound District passengers - in west London at least - will be looking to change to the Piccadilly at some point. |
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Mizter T wrote:
On 14 Feb, 17:06, "Richard J." wrote: It's been like this since at least September 2006, as that's when I complained to LUL about the District Line diagram showing "Trains to Heathrow" from Ealing Broadway, which is an advert for a rival company (Heathrow Connect). I was triggered to do that by an anxious passenger who had been advised correctly to change to the Piccadilly at Acton Town, but then noticed the contrary advice on the line diagram, and asked for my help in resolving his dilemma. I think it's somewhat absurd to consider provision of such information in terms of being an "advert for a rival company" - I'm certainly not in favour of LU readopting their old territorial ways that they used to have with regards to British Rail / National Rail. However the specific point you make with regards to Ealing Broadway being indicated as an interchange point for "Trains to Heathrow" is one I very much agree with - on seeing the District line diagrams which featured this the capacity for confusion that they could cause was one of the first things that came to mind, given that most Heathrow bound District passengers - in west London at least - will be looking to change to the Piccadilly at some point. Perhaps a half way house solution would be to have a box under 'Piccadilly' at Acton Town reading 'change for Heathrow Airport' as well? Paul S |
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On Feb 14, 5:33*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: Mizter T wrote: On 14 Feb, 17:06, "Richard J." wrote: It's been like this since at least September 2006, as that's when I complained to LUL about the District Line diagram showing "Trains to Heathrow" from Ealing Broadway, which is an advert for a rival company (Heathrow Connect). *I was triggered to do that by an anxious passenger who had been advised correctly to change to the Piccadilly at Acton Town, but then noticed the contrary advice on the line diagram, and asked for my help in resolving his dilemma. I think it's somewhat absurd to consider provision of such information in terms of being an "advert for a rival company" - I'm certainly not in favour of LU readopting their old territorial ways that they used to have with regards to British Rail / National Rail. However the specific point you make with regards to Ealing Broadway being indicated as an interchange point for "Trains to Heathrow" is one I very much agree with - on seeing the District line diagrams which featured this the capacity for confusion that they could cause was one of the first things that came to mind, given that most Heathrow bound District passengers - in west London at least - will be looking to change to the Piccadilly at some point. Perhaps a half way house solution would be to have a box under 'Piccadilly' at Acton Town reading 'change for Heathrow Airport' as well? It's not just a halfway house, it's bleedin obvious consistency with other interchanges for services to airports. And while competition is not appropriate in an integrated network, people would reasonably expect to see more, not less, information about the LU system in an LU train, so the absence of it when there is NR information implies that the LU service doesn't exist. |
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