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I think that during Easter weekend a lot of rail work will be taking
place at Clapham Junction. Many services are being diverted. I am sure I read somewhere that some passenger trains will use the line that goes from Clapham Junction to Wimbledon via East Putney. As far as I know National Rail does not normally use this line for trains carrying passengers it would be nice to use this opportunity to ride the line. (The District line uses shares it after East Putney). Does anyone know what services, if any, are being diverted on this route during the Easter break? Thanks |
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On 16 Mar, 10:19, wrote: I think that during Easter weekend a lot of rail work will be taking place at Clapham Junction. Many services are being diverted. I am sure I read somewhere that some passenger trains will use the line that goes from Clapham Junction to Wimbledon via East Putney. As far as I know National Rail does not normally use this line for trains carrying passengers it would be nice to use this opportunity to ride the line. (The District line uses shares it after East Putney). Does anyone know what services, if any, are being diverted on this route during the Easter break? Thanks This route is used at least twice every day by National Rail trains - it just happens late or very early in the day. See the entry under "Point Pleasant Junction - East Putney": http://www.avoe05.dsl.pipex.com/2008.htm Of course if you travel on one of the late trains it's most likely going to be dark outside, so not much to see - I've been that way a few times, not to 'bash' the line but just to get from A to B when it was late. SWT has some engineering works info on their website - but I haven't deciphered it to work out what trains are going which way (hence me crossposting this to uk.railway for what I hope will be some expert advice!). This is the entry for Easter Sunday - use the calendar on the right to select the other days of the Easter weekend: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...s/080323SU.htm |
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"Mizter T" wrote in message ... [crossposted to uk.railway] On 16 Mar, 10:19, wrote: I think that during Easter weekend a lot of rail work will be taking place at Clapham Junction. Many services are being diverted. I am sure I read somewhere that some passenger trains will use the line that goes from Clapham Junction to Wimbledon via East Putney. As far as I know National Rail does not normally use this line for trains carrying passengers it would be nice to use this opportunity to ride the line. (The District line uses shares it after East Putney). Does anyone know what services, if any, are being diverted on this route during the Easter break? Thanks This route is used at least twice every day by National Rail trains - it just happens late or very early in the day. See the entry under "Point Pleasant Junction - East Putney": http://www.avoe05.dsl.pipex.com/2008.htm Of course if you travel on one of the late trains it's most likely going to be dark outside, so not much to see - I've been that way a few times, not to 'bash' the line but just to get from A to B when it was late. SWT has some engineering works info on their website - but I haven't deciphered it to work out what trains are going which way (hence me crossposting this to uk.railway for what I hope will be some expert advice!). This is the entry for Easter Sunday - use the calendar on the right to select the other days of the Easter weekend: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...s/080323SU.htm If you want to "risk it", just wait on the Windsor lines platforms at Clapham Junction until a Wimbledon, Surbiton or Woking[1] service comes along. [1] these may go via Chertsey. tim |
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wrote in message ... I think that during Easter weekend a lot of rail work will be taking place at Clapham Junction. Many services are being diverted. I am sure I read somewhere that some passenger trains will use the line that goes from Clapham Junction to Wimbledon via East Putney. As far as I know National Rail does not normally use this line for trains carrying passengers it would be nice to use this opportunity to ride the line. (The District line uses shares it after East Putney). Does anyone know what services, if any, are being diverted on this route during the Easter break? Thanks A check today on SWT's journey planner shows a 6 tph frequency Wimbledon - Clapham Junction & return on Saturday. Paul |
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On Mar 20, 3:48*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: wrote in message ... I think that during Easter weekend a lot of rail work will be taking place at Clapham Junction. Many services are being diverted. I am sure I read somewhere that some passenger trains will use the line that goes from Clapham Junction to Wimbledon via East Putney. As far as I know National Rail does not normally use this line for trains carrying passengers it would be nice to use this opportunity to ride the line. (The District line uses shares it after East Putney). Does anyone know what services, if any, are being diverted on this route during the Easter break? Thanks A check today on SWT's journey planner shows a 6 tph frequency Wimbledon - Clapham Junction & return on Saturday. Paul Two of them (taking 28 minutes) are by bus, presumably serving Earlsfield. The other four are down to take 15 minutes. The usual journey time is 7 minutes, so that would seem to confirm that they are not going the usual way, although I would have thought that 15 minutes, via a single track connection and fitting in with the District Line is a bit ambitious. |
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MIG wrote:
On Mar 20, 3:48 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: wrote in message ... I think that during Easter weekend a lot of rail work will be taking place at Clapham Junction. Many services are being diverted. I am sure I read somewhere that some passenger trains will use the line that goes from Clapham Junction to Wimbledon via East Putney. As far as I know National Rail does not normally use this line for trains carrying passengers it would be nice to use this opportunity to ride the line. (The District line uses shares it after East Putney). Does anyone know what services, if any, are being diverted on this route during the Easter break? Thanks A check today on SWT's journey planner shows a 6 tph frequency Wimbledon - Clapham Junction & return on Saturday. Paul Two of them (taking 28 minutes) are by bus, presumably serving Earlsfield. The other four are down to take 15 minutes. The usual journey time is 7 minutes, so that would seem to confirm that they are not going the usual way, although I would have thought that 15 minutes, via a single track connection and fitting in with the District Line is a bit ambitious. I'm reading it as there are 6 tph and 3 buses. SWT's display only shows 5 services at once, you have to click 'earlier' or 'later' as well. Although there is no sign on TfL's site of any service 'reductions' on the District Line, could they be running a reduced frequency compared to a normal Saturday - TfL seem to usually only list closures... Paul S |
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On Mar 20, 4:30*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: MIG wrote: On Mar 20, 3:48 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: wrote in message .... I think that during Easter weekend a lot of rail work will be taking place at Clapham Junction. Many services are being diverted. I am sure I read somewhere that some passenger trains will use the line that goes from Clapham Junction to Wimbledon via East Putney. As far as I know National Rail does not normally use this line for trains carrying passengers it would be nice to use this opportunity to ride the line. (The District line uses shares it after East Putney). Does anyone know what services, if any, are being diverted on this route during the Easter break? Thanks A check today on SWT's journey planner shows a 6 tph frequency Wimbledon - Clapham Junction & return on Saturday. Paul Two of them (taking 28 minutes) are by bus, presumably serving Earlsfield. The other four are down to take 15 minutes. *The usual journey time is 7 minutes, so that would seem to confirm that they are not going the usual way, although I would have thought that 15 minutes, via a single track connection and fitting in with the District Line is a bit ambitious. I'm reading it as there are 6 tph and 3 buses. SWT's display only shows 5 services at once, you have to click 'earlier' or 'later' as well. Ah right. In that case even more potential inteference with the District. Although there is no sign on TfL's site of any service 'reductions' on the District Line, could they be running a reduced frequency compared to a normal Saturday * As well as six non-stop services each way threading between stopping services, that's twelve tph in total down a single track at East Putney and also fitting in between regular services to and from Putney on the flat. The whole thing does seem a bit ambitious. |
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On 20 Mar, 17:09, MIG wrote: On Mar 20, 4:30 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: MIG wrote: On Mar 20, 3:48 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: A check today on SWT's journey planner shows a 6 tph frequency Wimbledon - Clapham Junction & return on Saturday. Two of them (taking 28 minutes) are by bus, presumably serving Earlsfield. The other four are down to take 15 minutes. The usual journey time is 7 minutes, so that would seem to confirm that they are not going the usual way, although I would have thought that 15 minutes, via a single track connection and fitting in with the District Line is a bit ambitious. I'm reading it as there are 6 tph and 3 buses. SWT's display only shows 5 services at once, you have to click 'earlier' or 'later' as well. Ah right. In that case even more potential inteference with the District. Although there is no sign on TfL's site of any service 'reductions' on the District Line, could they be running a reduced frequency compared to a normal Saturday As well as six non-stop services each way threading between stopping services, that's twelve tph in total down a single track at East Putney and also fitting in between regular services to and from Putney on the flat. The whole thing does seem a bit ambitious. However there's no 'Wimbleware' service for the whole long weekend, as there's no (District/Circle) trains running between Edgware Road and Earls Court/Gloucester Rd. Perhaps this does point to a reduced frequency on the District from Wimbledon this weekend then. |
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On 20 Mar, 17:25, Mizter T wrote:
On 20 Mar, 17:09, MIG wrote: On Mar 20, 4:30 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: MIG wrote: On Mar 20, 3:48 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: A check today on SWT's journey planner shows a 6 tph frequency Wimbledon - Clapham Junction & return on Saturday. Two of them (taking 28 minutes) are by bus, presumably serving Earlsfield. The other four are down to take 15 minutes. The usual journey time is 7 minutes, so that would seem to confirm that they are not going the usual way, although I would have thought that 15 minutes, via a single track connection and fitting in with the District Line is a bit ambitious. I'm reading it as there are 6 tph and 3 buses. SWT's display only shows 5 l. Although there is no sign on TfL's site of any service 'reductions' on the District Line, could they be running a reduced frequency compared to a normal Saturday As well as six non-stop services each way threading between stopping services, that's twelve tph in total down a single track at East Putney and also fitting in between regular services to and from Putney on the flat. However there's no 'Wimbleware' service for the whole long weekend, as there's no (District/Circle) trains running between Edgware Road and Earls Court/Gloucester Rd. Perhaps this does point to a reduced frequency on the District from Wimbledon this weekend then. Thanks guys for the information. Today Good Friday, I have been riding the line in both directions, there seem to be plenty of trains possibly 4 an hour in each direction. Just get a train from platform 6 at Clapham Junction that is going next stop Wimbledeon. At Wimbledeon get a Waterloo train with Clapham Juntion as the first stop. They did announce on one train that it would be going through East Putney. Nice views from the train as travels up alongside the Windsor/ Reading lines, before branching of to East Putney, then straight through Southfields and Wimbledeon Park. District line trains also running on line. Will be back tommorow to take some photos from East Putney station. This is a rare opportunity to see frequent service by Network Rail along this line. John |
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wrote in message ... On 20 Mar, 17:25, Mizter T wrote: On 20 Mar, 17:09, MIG wrote: However there's no 'Wimbleware' service for the whole long weekend, as there's no (District/Circle) trains running between Edgware Road and Earls Court/Gloucester Rd. Perhaps this does point to a reduced frequency on the District from Wimbledon this weekend then. Thanks guys for the information. Today Good Friday, I have been riding the line in both directions, there seem to be plenty of trains possibly 4 an hour in each direction. Just get a train from platform 6 at Clapham Junction that is going next stop Wimbledeon. At Wimbledeon get a Waterloo train with Clapham Juntion as the first stop. I had a return journey Wimbledon - CJ too. There are definitely 6 SWT ph most hours, 2 tph each to/from Woking, Shepperton, and Basingstoke/Alton (splitting). There also seemed to be alternating LU trains so up to12 tph in each direction? Slight glitch just before 5 when Wimbledon platform 5 was blocked by a 66 headed engineers train heading towards CJ through the blocked section, but otherwise I thought everything was working pretty smoothly, considering the flat junctions on and off the 'District line' section, and the single lead connection with the Windsor lines. Had I relied upon the BBC's warnings there should have been total chaos in the area, in fact there were probably more services running than on many previous weekends when engineering work has closed the main lines through CJ. At Wimbledon platform 6 was being used as a terminating platform for Chessington and Guildford stoppers, and platform 7 for down through trains. I noticed, (for the first time), that there are differential speed limits on the East Putney line, 30 mph over 45 mph for LU, so that possibly explains how the interworking of stoppers and non-stop is organised. Oddly, the platform announcements on East Putney's up platform were alternately displaying a 'stand clear the next train is non-stop' message, despite them turning off just before the station! Paul S. |
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wrote in message ... On 20 Mar, 17:25, Mizter T wrote: On 20 Mar, 17:09, MIG wrote: Thanks guys for the information. Today Good Friday, I have been riding the line in both directions, there seem to be plenty of trains possibly 4 an hour in each direction. Just get a train from platform 6 at Clapham Junction that is going next stop Wimbledeon. At Wimbledeon get a Waterloo train with Clapham Juntion as the first stop. They did announce on one train that it would be going through East Putney. Nice views from the train as travels up alongside the Windsor/ Reading lines, before branching of to East Putney, then straight through Southfields and Wimbledeon Park. District line trains also running on line. Will be back tommorow to take some photos from East Putney station. This is a rare opportunity to see frequent service by Network Rail along this line. Does that part of LUL have AWS (I don't recall seeing it when I was down there.)? If not, then whar sort of safety back up are SWT trains using on that segment, lower speeds? AFAIK, SWT trains are not equipped with tripcocks. |
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wrote in message o.uk... wrote in message ... On 20 Mar, 17:25, Mizter T wrote: On 20 Mar, 17:09, MIG wrote: Thanks guys for the information. Today Good Friday, I have been riding the line in both directions, there seem to be plenty of trains possibly 4 an hour in each direction. Just get a train from platform 6 at Clapham Junction that is going next stop Wimbledeon. At Wimbledeon get a Waterloo train with Clapham Juntion as the first stop. They did announce on one train that it would be going through East Putney. Nice views from the train as travels up alongside the Windsor/ Reading lines, before branching of to East Putney, then straight through Southfields and Wimbledeon Park. District line trains also running on line. Will be back tommorow to take some photos from East Putney station. This is a rare opportunity to see frequent service by Network Rail along this line. Does that part of LUL have AWS (I don't recall seeing it when I was down there.)? If not, then whar sort of safety back up are SWT trains using on that segment, lower speeds? AFAIK, SWT trains are not equipped with tripcocks. At the risk of restarting an old thread, although there are tripcocks for LU trains, the line is still signalled and owned by Network Rail, so I believe that's why mainline trains don't need tripcocks. Its possible there isn't AWS - perhaps that explains the 30 mph limit? Paul |
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"Paul Scott" wrote in message ... At the risk of restarting an old thread, although there are tripcocks for LU trains, the line is still signalled and owned by Network Rail, so I believe that's why mainline trains don't need tripcocks. What do they use for a redundant safety system, then? Slightly off topic, but FCC trains out of Moorgate are equipped with tripcocks, aren't they? Who is operating that segment of track? (Having said that, I realise that the trains running from Clapham Junction to Wimbledon are doing so under extraordinary cicumstances, and so I wouldn't expect them to be equipped with tripcocks.) Its possible there isn't AWS - perhaps that explains the 30 mph limit? I have also seen the speed signs East Putney and Wimbledon, which distinguish between LUL and NR trains. But, without a redundant saftey system, I would expect the NR speed to be lower than 30 miles -- more like 15 miles. |
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On 22 Mar, 10:55, "Paul Scott" wrote: wrote in message Does that part of LUL have AWS (I don't recall seeing it when I was down there.)? If not, then whar sort of safety back up are SWT trains using on that segment, lower speeds? AFAIK, SWT trains are not equipped with tripcocks. At the risk of restarting an old thread, although there are tripcocks for LU trains, the line is still signalled and owned by Network Rail, so I believe that's why mainline trains don't need tripcocks. Wrong. The line is owned by LUL. It used to be owned by British Rail but on rail privatisation ownership passed to LUL. East Putney to Wilbledon is still signalled by Network Rail under a contract with LUL, and I believe Network Rail also handles the power supply. I understand that maintenance on the line is carried out by the SSL infraco, Metronet. However I don't know which signalling rules apply down that line (i.e. LUL or Network Rail). Having signalling handled by Network Rail does suggest that some element of co-ordination is possible in handling the District line service as well as the diverted SWT trains. Its possible there isn't AWS - perhaps that explains the 30 mph limit? Absolutely no idea on that issue. |
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wrote: "Paul Scott" wrote: At the risk of restarting an old thread, although there are tripcocks for LU trains, the line is still signalled and owned by Network Rail, so I believe that's why mainline trains don't need tripcocks. What do they use for a redundant safety system, then? Dunno, but see my post upthread about the ownership of the line - it is owned by LUL but signalled by Network Rail. Slightly off topic, but FCC trains out of Moorgate are equipped with tripcocks, aren't they? Who is operating that segment of track? All the 'mainline' lines out of Moorgate are owned by Network Rail these days, and I'm almost certain that tripcocks are not in use on either line these days. The "Northern City line" in a large diameter tube that runs up to Drayton Park has been in mainline railway ownership since it transferred from LU to British Rail in 1975 or 76. What is now the branch of Thameslink to Moorgate is similarly owned and operated by Network Rail. However the diesel trains that used to run along this line from Moorgate through Kings Cross (via the York and Hotel curves) did used to be fitted with tripcocks, because the line used to be operated by LU. I'm hazy on when the so called "Widened lines" were separated out between LU and British Rail, so I'm not sure when LU (Met, Circle and H&C) and mainline trains stopped sharing these tracks or indeed whether they routinely did so in more recent years. (Having said that, I realise that the trains running from Clapham Junction to Wimbledon are doing so under extraordinary cicumstances, and so I wouldn't expect them to be equipped with tripcocks.) At least two SWT trains routinely run along that stretch late at night/ early in the morning. |
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On Mar 22, 4:00*pm, "Richard J." wrote:
wrote: Does that part of LUL have AWS (I don't recall seeing it when I was down there.)? If not, then whar sort of safety back up are SWT trains using on that segment, lower speeds? AFAIK, SWT trains are not equipped with tripcocks. The answer is that the line is fitted with TPWS as well as the LUL trainstop system. *At each signal, there is a TPWS loop and a trainstop. *The reason for the 30 mph limit for National Rail trains is because of "power supply difficulties". *The voltage is 650V to accommodate the LU trains, rather than the usual 750V for SWT. Which makes me wonder, is it only 455s that have been using that route? Could it cope with the power requirements of 450s? I've only ever seen 455s going that way (daytime empty movements and past engineering work; not been around for the early/late runs). |
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MIG wrote:
On Mar 22, 4:00 pm, "Richard J." wrote: wrote: Does that part of LUL have AWS (I don't recall seeing it when I was down there.)? If not, then whar sort of safety back up are SWT trains using on that segment, lower speeds? AFAIK, SWT trains are not equipped with tripcocks. The answer is that the line is fitted with TPWS as well as the LUL trainstop system. At each signal, there is a TPWS loop and a trainstop. The reason for the 30 mph limit for National Rail trains is because of "power supply difficulties". The voltage is 650V to accommodate the LU trains, rather than the usual 750V for SWT. Which makes me wonder, is it only 455s that have been using that route? Could it cope with the power requirements of 450s? I've only ever seen 455s going that way (daytime empty movements and past engineering work; not been around for the early/late runs). Travelled the route on 450s yesterday twice - the Basingstoke/Alton splitting service. You will be pleased to hear that the power supply can cope with an 8 car train. It was quite odd to see an 8.450 stopped in East Putney awaiting the road down on to the Windsor lines - it only just clears the platform end, and the crossover over the 'LU' down track. The apparent gradient off the windsor lines is quite something BTW - I should imagine icy conditions may make things difficult? I think the normal early and late timetabled trains via EP are usually at least 450s, not sure if 444s run in service though? Paul |
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"Mizter T" wrote in message
... All the 'mainline' lines out of Moorgate are owned by Network Rail these days, and I'm almost certain that tripcocks are not in use on either line these days. I should have made that delineation. FCC Thameslink trains out of Moorgate indeed are not equipped with tripcocks. The "Northern City line" in a large diameter tube that runs up to Drayton Park has been in mainline railway ownership since it transferred from LU to British Rail in 1975 or 76. The Northern City Line is another story, however. I have seen policemen operating as trains pull into Moorgate. I'm not saying that the whole segment between Moorgate and Drayton Park is equipped with stoparms, because I simply don't know, but I did see them at Moorgate. Is it possible that they simply left the policemen at Moorgate when NR took over? It would be surprising to see them working after all these years. At least two SWT trains routinely run along that stretch late at night/ early in the morning. Revenue or non-revenue? |
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m... The answer is that the line is fitted with TPWS as well as the LUL trainstop system. At each signal, there is a TPWS loop and a trainstop. I thought there might be something like that. I'm also guessing that it would be illegal to have tracks not equipped with some sort of redundant saftey system in potential revenue service. |
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Paul Scott) wrote: The apparent gradient off the windsor lines is quite something BTW - I should imagine icy conditions may make things difficult? The gradient may be more apparent than real. There is quite a downgrade from Point Peasant I realise this is south of the river, but that name seems a little harsh. tom -- There are no MPs in the position opposite the Liberal Democrats. -- Chris Lightfoot |
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On Mar 22, 3:22 pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 22 Mar, 10:55, "Paul Scott" wrote: wrote in message Does that part of LUL have AWS (I don't recall seeing it when I was down there.)? If not, then whar sort of safety back up are SWT trains using on that segment, lower speeds? AFAIK, SWT trains are not equipped with tripcocks. At the risk of restarting an old thread, although there are tripcocks for LU trains, the line is still signalled and owned by Network Rail, so I believe that's why mainline trains don't need tripcocks. Wrong. The line is owned by LUL. It used to be owned by British Rail but on rail privatisation ownership passed to LUL. East Putney to Wilbledon is still signalled by Network Rail under a contract with LUL, and I believe Network Rail also handles the power supply. I understand that maintenance on the line is carried out by the SSL infraco, Metronet. However I don't know which signalling rules apply down that line (i.e. LUL or Network Rail). Having signalling handled by Network Rail does suggest that some element of co-ordination is possible in handling the District line service as well as the diverted SWT trains. Its possible there isn't AWS - perhaps that explains the 30 mph limit? Absolutely no idea on that issue. Network Rail rules apply. This may change (or at least the signalling operators) later on under the SSR upgrade though. LUL did once try to get them to switch off their traction current to protect an over run of engineering work in the Parsons Green area and were laughed off! The NR trains operate at lower speeds due to less responsive braking on their rolling stock. |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Mizter T) wrote: At least two SWT trains routinely run along that stretch late at night/ early in the morning. The line was BR-owned until 1994, with BR signalling from before then, surely? Alongside the down platform at Southfields there is newly installed NR signalling equipment visible. Clearly renewals are to a NR design, whoever is actually doing them... Paul S |
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(Tom Anderson) wrote: On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Paul Scott) wrote: The apparent gradient off the windsor lines is quite something BTW - I should imagine icy conditions may make things difficult? The gradient may be more apparent than real. There is quite a downgrade from Point Peasant I realise this is south of the river, but that name seems a little harsh. Oops! Point Pleasant, of course. Though it was something of a misnomer if you knew the area around it, a gasworks and heavily polluted river Wandle! I should have made clear that the downgrade from there is on the main Windsor lines -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , () wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message At least two SWT trains routinely run along that stretch late at night/ early in the morning. Revenue or non-revenue? I thought the main use was ECS. Yes. But the service trains that use it a 0454 SuX Basingstoke - Waterloo 0105 Waterloo - Southampton Central 0042 Waterloo - Strawberry Hill timed so that no-one actually sees them... Paul |
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In article , () wrote: "Richard J." wrote in message m... The answer is that the line is fitted with TPWS as well as the LUL trainstop system. At each signal, there is a TPWS loop and a trainstop. I thought there might be something like that. I'm also guessing that it would be illegal to have tracks not equipped with some sort of redundant saftey system in potential revenue service. I thought TPWS was installed on a risk-of-SPADs basis, so not on all stretches of all passengers lines? That is correct, in fact a number of TPWS installations are being removed as some overkill occured during the original fitting. Paul |
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(Paul Scott) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , () wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message At least two SWT trains routinely run along that stretch late at night/ early in the morning. Revenue or non-revenue? I thought the main use was ECS. Yes. But the service trains that use it a 0454 SuX Basingstoke - Waterloo 0105 Waterloo - Southampton Central 0042 Waterloo - Strawberry Hill timed so that no-one actually sees them... If I'm staying at my mother's I should be able to hear them. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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(Paul Scott) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , () wrote: "Richard J." wrote in message m... The answer is that the line is fitted with TPWS as well as the LUL trainstop system. At each signal, there is a TPWS loop and a trainstop. I thought there might be something like that. I'm also guessing that it would be illegal to have tracks not equipped with some sort of redundant saftey system in potential revenue service. I thought TPWS was installed on a risk-of-SPADs basis, so not on all stretches of all passengers lines? That is correct, in fact a number of TPWS installations are being removed as some overkill occured during the original fitting. Does that mean that AWS is then counted as the redundant safety system? Or is even that not necessary? After all, not all lines have AWS. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message l.co.uk... In article , (chunky munky) wrote: On Mar 22, 3:22 pm, Mizter T wrote: On 22 Mar, 10:55, "Paul Scott" wrote: The NR trains operate at lower speeds due to less responsive braking on their rolling stock. That was one of the reasons that I thought the speed restriction would be lower, assuming that there was no redundant system for BR trains between East Putney and Wimbledon. |
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"Paul Scott" wrote in message ... Alongside the down platform at Southfields there is newly installed NR signalling equipment visible. Clearly renewals are to a NR design, whoever is actually doing them... What is that, signals with only two lenses that use LED lamps? |
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wrote in message .. . "Paul Scott" wrote in message ... Alongside the down platform at Southfields there is newly installed NR signalling equipment visible. Clearly renewals are to a NR design, whoever is actually doing them... What is that, signals with only two lenses that use LED lamps? No, just electrical boxes with the same 'over engineered' supporting framework in the current NR style... Paul |
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On 23 Mar, 12:55, "Paul Scott" wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , () wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message At least two SWT trains routinely run along that stretch late at night/ early in the morning. Revenue or non-revenue? I thought the main use was ECS. Yes. But the service trains that use it a 0454 SuX Basingstoke - Waterloo 0105 Waterloo - Southampton Central 0042 Waterloo - Strawberry Hill timed so that no-one actually sees them... Been on the late trains a few times plus have also seen them crossing over the Upper Richmond Road, aka the A205 South Circular - hardly a quiet backwater! |
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On Mar 23, 7:43*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 23 Mar, 12:55, "Paul Scott" wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , () wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message At least two SWT trains routinely run along that stretch late at night/ early in the morning. Revenue or non-revenue? I thought the main use was ECS. Yes. But the service trains that use it a 0454 SuX Basingstoke - Waterloo 0105 Waterloo - Southampton Central 0042 Waterloo - Strawberry Hill timed so that no-one actually sees them... Been on the late trains a few times plus have also seen them crossing over the Upper Richmond Road, aka the A205 South Circular - hardly a quiet backwater!- There was (at least within the last year or two) an empty working or two leaving Waterloo between about 0930 and 1000. Such things ought to be easier to spot. |
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"Mizter T" wrote in message ... On 23 Mar, 12:55, "Paul Scott" wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , () wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message At least two SWT trains routinely run along that stretch late at night/ early in the morning. Revenue or non-revenue? I thought the main use was ECS. Yes. But the service trains that use it a 0454 SuX Basingstoke - Waterloo 0105 Waterloo - Southampton Central 0042 Waterloo - Strawberry Hill timed so that no-one actually sees them... Been on the late trains a few times plus have also seen them crossing Yes so have I, (un)fortunately I have moved and now don't have the luxury of a train home at midning and something tim |
East Putney station
"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message l.co.uk... I thought there might be something like that. I'm also guessing that it would be illegal to have tracks not equipped with some sort of redundant saftey system in potential revenue service. I thought TPWS was installed on a risk-of-SPADs basis, so not on all stretches of all passengers lines? I don't know, but my guess is that it would have to be one or the other in order to safely and legally operate NR trains in revenue service. |
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