On May 6, 10:10 am, Boltar wrote:
I had to use a bus on the w/e and found that my pre pay had run out.
It cost me 2 quid to go 1 mile because I had to pay by cash. Is that
fair? I don't think so. Same story on the tube.

I think one of the first thingsborisshould at is ditch Kens
idiotic , deliberate and spiteful disparity between the Oyster and
cash fares to deliberately force occasional commuters to use Oyster to
no benefit to themselves but every benefit to TfL.

B2003

Why?

On May 6, 2:39*pm, Boltar wrote:
On May 6, 12:47 pm, wrote:

The advantage of people paying by oyster isn't just reduced costs.
It's also faster journey times. It used to take forever for a long
queue to board a bus, when many people were paying cash. Now that
paying cash is significantly more expensive, hardly anyone does.

So make it exact money only then. Problem solved. Works in loads of
other places in the country. Besides which regular commuters will have
an oyster card anyway because its more convenient if you travel every
day so why nobble occasional commuters?

B2003

Exact money still quite a lot slower than oyster. People fiddle about
opening their wallet, a ticket has to be dispensed.

Also, if the rule were exact money only, then some people might find
that annoying as well, on occasions when they were caught short of
change...

On Tue, 6 May 2008, Boltar wrote:

On 6 May, 19:25, Tom Barry wrote:
Scott wrote:
It looked like you were posting randomly without regard to the
previous posting but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Just to be clear, it's a nailed on certainty that any thread featuring
'Boltar' will degenerate into a blizzard of very short postings from
said gentleman mostly being unpleasantly rude and refusing to engage in
any actual discussion. I therefore decided to go straight to sarcasm
and leave it there. Saves time, and it's not like anyone can persuade
him otherwise anyway.

Ha , thats ironic given the number of LU & TfL sheeple on here who no
matter what these organisations do or suggest its always a good idea.
TfL could suggest invading Poland and someone on here would nod in
approval.

GODWIN!

tom

--
First man to add a mixer get a shoeing! -- The Laird

On May 6, 9:50 pm, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 6 May, 20:15, Boltar wrote:

For the small amount of people who'd still buy a paper ticket

What makes you think the number would still be small if there was
price parity?

Because if you're a regular commuter you're not going to buy a paper
ticket every day, you'll get an Oyster card for the convenience.

B2003

On May 7, 12:11 am, francis wrote:
On May 6, 10:10 am, Boltar wrote:

I had to use a bus on the w/e and found that my pre pay had run out.
It cost me 2 quid to go 1 mile because I had to pay by cash. Is that
fair? I don't think so. Same story on the tube.

I think one of the first thingsborisshould at is ditch Kens
idiotic , deliberate and spiteful disparity between the Oyster and
cash fares to deliberately force occasional commuters to use Oyster to
no benefit to themselves but every benefit to TfL.

B2003

Why?

Why not? Or perhaps you'd like to pay double for petrol at a filling
station if you pay by cash instead of paying with BP Card or Shell
Card or whatever?

B2003

On May 7, 12:53 am, wrote:
On May 6, 2:39 pm, Boltar wrote:

On May 6, 12:47 pm, wrote:

The advantage of people paying by oyster isn't just reduced costs.
It's also faster journey times. It used to take forever for a long
queue to board a bus, when many people were paying cash. Now that
paying cash is significantly more expensive, hardly anyone does.

So make it exact money only then. Problem solved. Works in loads of
other places in the country. Besides which regular commuters will have
an oyster card anyway because its more convenient if you travel every
day so why nobble occasional commuters?

B2003

Exact money still quite a lot slower than oyster. People fiddle about
opening their wallet, a ticket has to be dispensed.

That happens anyway on the tube when people top up their oyster cards.
As for the buses yes it could slow things down a little but I think
its a fair trade off.

Also, if the rule were exact money only, then some people might find
that annoying as well, on occasions when they were caught short of
change...

Well there could always be a rule of exact money or more if they only
have a 2 pound coin for a 1 pound journey, The choice would then be
theres as to whether to travel or find a shop and get some change.

The problem with this country is its always the stick approach , never
the carrot. Instead of "we'll penalise you if you pay by cash" it
should be "if you use Oyster X times in a month you'll get a free 5
pound top-up" or something like that. But no , that would be far too
civilised.

B2003

On May 7, 9:10 am, Boltar wrote:
The problem with this country is its always the stick approach , never
the carrot. Instead of "we'll penalise you if you pay by cash" it
should be "if you use Oyster X times in a month you'll get a free 5
pound top-up" or something like that. But no , that would be far too
civilised.

The point is, given that fares are set with the aim of getting a
specific level of farebox revenue, those two things are *exactly the
****ing same*.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On May 7, 9:19 am, John B wrote:
On May 7, 9:10 am, Boltar wrote:

The problem with this country is its always the stick approach , never
the carrot. Instead of "we'll penalise you if you pay by cash" it
should be "if you use Oyster X times in a month you'll get a free 5
pound top-up" or something like that. But no , that would be far too
civilised.

The point is, given that fares are set with the aim of getting a
specific level of farebox revenue, those two things are *exactly the
****ing same*.

Right , that would be why this sort of incentive is used with store
cards , because getting a discount if you spend X amount is "exactly
the f*cking same" as telling people to use our store card because
otherwise we'll charge you twice the price. Oh , and thats after you'd
paid 3 quid for the priviledge of buying said card (though I think
that might have been waived now, not sure).

They may well have reduced the Oyster fares initially a small amount ,
but those reductions have long since vanished and since then the cash
fare on the buses have become extortionate and now its a minimum 4
quid to go anywhere on the tube!

B2003

On May 7, 9:35 am, Boltar wrote:
The problem with this country is its always the stick approach , never
the carrot. Instead of "we'll penalise you if you pay by cash" it
should be "if you use Oyster X times in a month you'll get a free 5
pound top-up" or something like that. But no , that would be far too
civilised.

The point is, given that fares are set with the aim of getting a
specific level of farebox revenue, those two things are *exactly the
****ing same*.

Right , that would be why this sort of incentive is used with store
cards , because getting a discount if you spend X amount is "exactly
the f*cking same" as telling people to use our store card because
otherwise we'll charge you twice the price.

With store cards:
1) of course they jack the price up for non-cardholders. What, you
think Tesco is a charity now?
2) the card data allows them to do targeted promotions. Not so
important for TfL ("we see you enjoy travelling from Highgate to
Moorgate. Why not try Notting Hill Gate and Southgate?")

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On May 7, 9:50 am, John B wrote:
With store cards:
1) of course they jack the price up for non-cardholders. What, you
think Tesco is a charity now?

AFAIK you don't get anything any cheaper when you buy with these cards
apart from the odd promotional item. No doubt you can collect points
or whatever , but god help you if you don't cough up on time because
the interest rates will nail you.

2) the card data allows them to do targeted promotions. Not so
important for TfL ("we see you enjoy travelling from Highgate to
Moorgate. Why not try Notting Hill Gate and Southgate?")

)

Wouldn't put it past them at some point to use that info for non
transport purposes though , depending on the data protection act
(though thats never stopped reams of companies flogging our personal
data in the past). Maybe if you always travel to a station with a new
supermarket or something opening near by, you might get a promotional
leaftlet through your door one day , who knows.

B2003