Tom Barry wrote:

(there are presumably routes wholly within London you can still *buy*
booze on the train, surely?), but I've no idea what powers he actually
has to do this (he does have them, presumably?)

Are there actually any *wholely* within London for which this applies?
I can think of examples of trains that go between two places within
London that serve booze on the train (Liverpool St to Norwich between
L.St. and Stratford, for example, but I can't bring to mind any
*wholely* within London ones that serve booze on the train.

Robin

On 7 May, 17:45, "R.C. Payne" wrote:
(there are presumably routes wholly within London you can still *buy*
booze on the train, surely?), but I've no idea what powers he actually
has to do this (he does have them, presumably?)

Are there actually any *wholely* within London for which this applies?
I can think of examples of trains that go between two places within
London that serve booze on the train (Liverpool St to Norwich between
L.St. and Stratford, for example, but I can't bring to mind any
*wholely* within London ones that serve booze on the train.

....or Waterloo to Portsmouth via Clapham Junction. Or Olympia to
Croydon, for a limited time only...

But yes, I'm fairly sure there are no London-only routes with catering
of any kind.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

John B wrote:

But yes, I'm fairly sure there are no London-only routes with catering
of any kind.

I must confess I was finding it hard to think of any -
Paddington-Ealing Broadway, perhaps, or Marylebone-South Ruislip, but
I'm by no means certain of either case. Waterloo-Wimbledon?

However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

Tom

On May 7, 11:54 pm, Tom Barry wrote:
However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

I'm not sure the class point holds - someone commuting to Stratford
can buy a drink, whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer
can't even drink one...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On May 7, 3:58*pm, John B wrote:
On May 7, 11:54 pm, Tom Barry wrote:

However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

I'm not sure the class point holds - someone commuting to Stratford
can buy a drink, whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer
can't even drink one...

Do the carts on Thameslink sell Alcohol? IIRC they do.

On May 8, 12:14*am, 1506 wrote:
On May 7, 3:58*pm, John B wrote: On May 7, 11:54 pm, Tom Barry wrote:

However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

I'm not sure the class point holds - someone commuting to Stratford
can buy a drink, whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer
can't even drink one...

Do the carts on Thameslink sell Alcohol? *IIRC they do.

I don't think it does have 'class' implications. I think there is a
problem with anti-social behaviour on the Underground, but my issue is
how will this be enforced?

On May 7, 4:38*pm, Railist wrote:
On May 8, 12:14*am, 1506 wrote:

On May 7, 3:58*pm, John B wrote: On May 7, 11:54 pm, Tom Barry wrote:

However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

I'm not sure the class point holds - someone commuting to Stratford
can buy a drink, whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer
can't even drink one...

Do the carts on Thameslink sell Alcohol? *IIRC they do.

I don't think it does have 'class' implications. I think there is a
problem with anti-social behaviour on the Underground, but my issue is
how will this be enforced?

With some difficulty one would have thought. At one time, one of the
Circle Line stations had a bar on the platform. IIRC it was Saint
James Park.

Baker Street certainly had/has a bar outside the barrier line. So, at
the very least the public is being sent mixed messages. And, let us
not forget the Met. Railway's Pullman cars where Alcohol was served on
board.

Moreover , it seems possible that having bought a drink at Marylebone
one could travel to Amersham whilst enjoying a drink on a Chiltern
train. If one bought a drink at Baker Street one would not be allowed
to consume it whilst travelling, over the very same metals, on a
Metropolitan line train.

As an asside many US transit systmes ban eating and drinking, of any
sort, on board buses and trains. LA Metro comes to mind.

On 8 May, 00:14, 1506 wrote:
On May 7, 3:58*pm, John B wrote: On May 7, 11:54 pm, Tom Barry wrote:

However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

I'm not sure the class point holds - someone commuting to Stratford
can buy a drink, whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer
can't even drink one...

Do the carts on Thameslink sell Alcohol? *IIRC they do.

No, because they no longer exist.

They were also removed from The fast Cambridge / Kings Lynn services
on the GN route when FCC took over.

Whoever operates the trollies on "Southern" services did have alcahol
available a few months back on the Brighton line. I wouldn't normally
take a lot of notice, however a business type indulged in a couple of
shorts en route to Brighton on the 09.06 from Victoria and recieved
some unaproving glances.

Grid

On May 7, 5:33*pm, wrote:
On 8 May, 00:14, 1506 wrote:

On May 7, 3:58*pm, John B wrote: On May 7, 11:54 pm, Tom Barry wrote:

However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

I'm not sure the class point holds - someone commuting to Stratford
can buy a drink, whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer
can't even drink one...

Do the carts on Thameslink sell Alcohol? *IIRC they do.

No, because they no longer exist.

Understandable given the conditions on Thameslink in the central
area. Althought, it was certainly good to have the option of buying a
snack.

They were also removed from The fast Cambridge / Kings Lynn services
on the GN route when FCC took over.

Whoever operates the trollies on "Southern" services did have alcahol
available a few months back on the Brighton line. I wouldn't normally
take a lot of notice, however a business type indulged in a couple of
shorts en route to Brighton on the 09.06 from Victoria and recieved
some unaproving glances.

IIRC this has always been legal on rains in the UK. One wonders about
the guy's liver. :-)

wrote

Whoever operates the trollies on "Southern" services did have alcahol
available a few months back on the Brighton line. I wouldn't normally
take a lot of notice, however a business type indulged in a couple of
shorts en route to Brighton on the 09.06 from Victoria and recieved
some unaproving glances.

It looks as though the Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith, is jumping on the Boris
Johnson bandwagon, and is threatening to ban alocohol from all trains
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3897384.ece

Peter