On 28 Jun, 20:43, "tim....." wrote:
"Scott" wrote in message

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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:40:06 -0700 (PDT), "
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I could hardly believe, last week, when I tried to buy a One Day
Travelcard at my local newsgent, who had sold them for many years,
that they are no longer available there! The equipment, he told me, as
I could see, had been removed and all he can now do is add credit to
Oyster cards, or sell weekly etc. tickets on Oyster.

This is an outrageous scam by T.F.L., which means I now would now lose
£1 credit on my Oyster in order to get a bus to my local station which
is, presumably, the only place I can now buy a One Day Travelcard.
Does anyone know why one can't get a One Day Travelcard on Oyster?

It's funny that bus drivers don't even seem to know that this is now
the case, since my father when he tried bought a ticket on the bus one
morning was told by the driver that it would be cheaper for him to by
a One Day Bus Pass at the same newsagents!

M.M.

Why do you need a One Day Travelcard?

Because you are going on National Rail.

Probably about 50% of people have to do this each day.

tim

Since there are more passengers on the underground every day than on
the whole national rail network across Britain, I'm quite sure it's a
lot less than 50%.

Anyway, as has been said, this is a shop owner not understanding the
equpment, not TfL scamming you.

On 29 Jun, 10:16, sweek wrote:
On 28 Jun, 20:43, "tim....." wrote:



"Scott" wrote in message

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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:40:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

I could hardly believe, last week, when I tried to buy a One Day
Travelcard at my local newsgent, who had sold them for many years,
that they are no longer available there! The equipment, he told me, as
I could see, had been removed and all he can now do is add credit to
Oyster cards, or sell weekly etc. tickets on Oyster.

This is an outrageous scam by T.F.L., which means I now would now lose
£1 credit on my Oyster in order to get a bus to my local station which
is, presumably, the only place I can now buy a One Day Travelcard.
Does anyone know why one can't get a One Day Travelcard on Oyster?

It's funny that bus drivers don't even seem to know that this is now
the case, since my father when he tried bought a ticket on the bus one
morning was told by the driver that it would be cheaper for him to by
a One Day Bus Pass at the same newsagents!

M.M.

Why do you need a One Day Travelcard?

Because you are going on National Rail.

Probably about 50% of people have to do this each day.

tim

Since there are more passengers on the underground every day than on
the whole national rail network across Britain, I'm quite sure it's a
lot less than 50%.

I've read that statistic and I'm very suspicious of it. The trains in
south london are packed and when you throw in the commuter lines in
other large cities such as liverpool, manchester, glasgow, edinburgh
and on top of that cross country and long distance travellers. I'm
pretty sure it must come damn close.

B2003

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On 29 Jun, 10:16, sweek wrote:
On 28 Jun, 20:43, "tim....." wrote:



"Scott" wrote in message

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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:40:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

I could hardly believe, last week, when I tried to buy a One Day
Travelcard at my local newsgent, who had sold them for many years,
that they are no longer available there! The equipment, he told me, as
I could see, had been removed and all he can now do is add credit to
Oyster cards, or sell weekly etc. tickets on Oyster.

This is an outrageous scam by T.F.L., which means I now would now lose
£1 credit on my Oyster in order to get a bus to my local station which
is, presumably, the only place I can now buy a One Day Travelcard.
Does anyone know why one can't get a One Day Travelcard on Oyster?

It's funny that bus drivers don't even seem to know that this is now
the case, since my father when he tried bought a ticket on the bus one
morning was told by the driver that it would be cheaper for him to by
a One Day Bus Pass at the same newsagents!

M.M.

Why do you need a One Day Travelcard?

Because you are going on National Rail.

Probably about 50% of people have to do this each day.

tim

Since there are more passengers on the underground every day than on
the whole national rail network across Britain, I'm quite sure it's a
lot less than 50%.

I've read that statistic and I'm very suspicious of it. The trains in
south london are packed and when you throw in the commuter lines in
other large cities such as liverpool, manchester, glasgow, edinburgh
and on top of that cross country and long distance travellers. I'm
pretty sure it must come damn close.

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It's based upon the fact that people make lots of journeys of 2 or 3 stops
on the Underground. People don't do this anywhere near as often on National
Rail (mainly because of the train frequency).

Tim

On Jun 29, 11:25�am, "tim....." wrote:
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On 29 Jun, 10:16, sweek wrote:





On 28 Jun, 20:43, "tim....." wrote:

"Scott" wrote in message

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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:40:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

I could hardly believe, last week, when I tried to buy a One Day
Travelcard at my local newsgent, who had sold them for many years,
that they are no longer available there! The equipment, he told me, as
I could see, had been removed and all he can now do is add credit to
Oyster cards, or sell weekly etc. tickets on Oyster.

This is an outrageous scam by T.F.L., which means I now would now lose
�1 credit on my Oyster in order to get a bus to my local station which
is, presumably, the only place I can now buy a One Day Travelcard.
Does anyone know why one can't get a One Day Travelcard on Oyster?

It's funny that bus drivers don't even seem to know that this is now
the case, since my father when he tried bought a ticket on the bus one
morning was told by the driver that it would be cheaper for him to by
a One Day Bus Pass at the same newsagents!

M.M.

Why do you need a One Day Travelcard?

Because you are going on National Rail.

Probably about 50% of people have to do this each day.

tim

Since there are more passengers on the underground every day than on
the whole national rail network across Britain, I'm quite sure it's a
lot less than 50%.

I've read that statistic and I'm very suspicious of it. The trains in
south london are packed and when you throw in the commuter lines in
other large cities such as liverpool, manchester, glasgow, edinburgh
and on top of that cross country and long distance travellers. I'm
pretty sure it must come damn close.

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It's based upon the fact that people make lots of journeys of 2 or 3 stops
on the Underground. �People don't do this anywhere near as often on National
Rail (mainly because of the train frequency).

Tim- Hide quoted text -

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As the original poster of this thread, I am delighted that so much
interest has been generated!

But, two points in reply:

1. No-one has answered why One Day Travelcards are not available on
Oyster. That availability would, at a stroke, remove my complaint.

2. My newsagent most definitely does not have any "encoded" or other
ticket stock of any sort. He used to, but does not now. All he has is
the device for adding credit/tickets to Oyster cards. He has no pre-
printed ticket stock of any sort.

Marc.

On 29 Jun, 12:56, " wrote:
On Jun 29, 11:25�am, "tim....." wrote:



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On 29 Jun, 10:16, sweek wrote:

On 28 Jun, 20:43, "tim....." wrote:

"Scott" wrote in message

.. .

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:40:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

I could hardly believe, last week, when I tried to buy a One Day
Travelcard at my local newsgent, who had sold them for many years,
that they are no longer available there! The equipment, he told me, as
I could see, had been removed and all he can now do is add credit to
Oyster cards, or sell weekly etc. tickets on Oyster.

This is an outrageous scam by T.F.L., which means I now would now lose
�1 credit on my Oyster in order to get a bus to my local station which
is, presumably, the only place I can now buy a One Day Travelcard..
Does anyone know why one can't get a One Day Travelcard on Oyster?

It's funny that bus drivers don't even seem to know that this is now
the case, since my father when he tried bought a ticket on the bus one
morning was told by the driver that it would be cheaper for him to by
a One Day Bus Pass at the same newsagents!

M.M.

Why do you need a One Day Travelcard?

Because you are going on National Rail.

Probably about 50% of people have to do this each day.

tim

Since there are more passengers on the underground every day than on
the whole national rail network across Britain, I'm quite sure it's a
lot less than 50%.

I've read that statistic and I'm very suspicious of it. The trains in
south london are packed and when you throw in the commuter lines in
other large cities such as liverpool, manchester, glasgow, edinburgh
and on top of that cross country and long distance travellers. I'm
pretty sure it must come damn close.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------�-----------------------

It's based upon the fact that people make lots of journeys of 2 or 3 stops
on the Underground. �People don't do this anywhere near as often on National
Rail (mainly because of the train frequency).

Tim- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As the original poster of this thread, I am delighted that so much
interest has been generated!

But, two points in reply:

1. No-one has answered why One Day Travelcards are not available on
Oyster. That availability would, at a stroke, remove my complaint.

Simple - TfL don't give a **** about you. No doubt 1 day travelcards
being used on the mainline was costing them money so they subtly
binned it. All Oyster is is a way for TfL to save money , nothing
more. All this more convenient for passengers balony is just spin.
Smartcard or magnetic strip is irrelevant to most people - they just
want to get to their destinations in a reasonable time and reasonable
comfort for a reasonable price. On which all counts TfL and LUL fail
miserably.

B2003

On Jun 29, 1:23Â*pm, wrote:
On 29 Jun, 12:56, " wrote:





On Jun 29, 11:25�am, "tim....." wrote:

wrote in message

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On 29 Jun, 10:16, sweek wrote:

On 28 Jun, 20:43, "tim....." wrote:

"Scott" wrote in message

.. .

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:40:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

I could hardly believe, last week, when I tried to buy a One Day
Travelcard at my local newsgent, who had sold them for many years,
that they are no longer available there! The equipment, he told me, as
I could see, had been removed and all he can now do is add credit to
Oyster cards, or sell weekly etc. tickets on Oyster.

This is an outrageous scam by T.F.L., which means I now would now lose
�1 credit on my Oyster in order to get a bus to my local station which
is, presumably, the only place I can now buy a One Day Travelcard.
Does anyone know why one can't get a One Day Travelcard on Oyster?

It's funny that bus drivers don't even seem to know that this is now
the case, since my father when he tried bought a ticket on the bus one
morning was told by the driver that it would be cheaper for him to by
a One Day Bus Pass at the same newsagents!

M.M.

Why do you need a One Day Travelcard?

Because you are going on National Rail.

Probably about 50% of people have to do this each day.

tim

Since there are more passengers on the underground every day than on
the whole national rail network across Britain, I'm quite sure it's a
lot less than 50%.

I've read that statistic and I'm very suspicious of it. The trains in
south london are packed and when you throw in the commuter lines in
other large cities such as liverpool, manchester, glasgow, edinburgh
and on top of that cross country and long distance travellers. I'm
pretty sure it must come damn close.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------Â*�-----------------------

It's based upon the fact that people make lots of journeys of 2 or 3 stops
on the Underground. �People don't do this anywhere near as often on National
Rail (mainly because of the train frequency).

Tim- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As the original poster of this thread, I am delighted that so much
interest has been generated!

But, two points in reply:

1. No-one has answered why One Day Travelcards are not available on
Oyster. That availability would, at a stroke, remove my complaint.

Simple - TfL don't give a **** about you. No doubt 1 day travelcards
being used on the mainline was costing them money so they subtly
binned it. All Oyster is is a way for TfL to save money , nothing
more. All this more convenient for passengers balony is just spin.
Smartcard or magnetic strip is irrelevant to most people - they just
want to get to their destinations in a reasonable time and reasonable
comfort for a reasonable price. On which all counts TfL and LUL fail
miserably.

They are certainly in denial about the real world situation, and make
their excuses in terms of a situation that they know not to exist.

Like the previous poster, I think it would be very useful to put a one-
day travelcard on Oyster. Even if you normally only use PAYG, there
will be days when you have to use some National Rail, so get a one-day
travelcard instead.

It must be very common for people in that situation to be in the habit
of touching their Oyster at every gate, thus getting charged twice
(and possibly unresolved journeys). If the ODTC was on Oyster, it
would know not to charge PAYG.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:11:16 -0700 (PDT), MIG
wrote:

On Jun 29, 1:23*pm, wrote:
On 29 Jun, 12:56, " wrote:





On Jun 29, 11:25?am, "tim....." wrote:

wrote in message

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On 29 Jun, 10:16, sweek wrote:

On 28 Jun, 20:43, "tim....." wrote:

"Scott" wrote in message

.. .

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:40:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

I could hardly believe, last week, when I tried to buy a One Day
Travelcard at my local newsgent, who had sold them for many years,
that they are no longer available there! The equipment, he told me, as
I could see, had been removed and all he can now do is add credit to
Oyster cards, or sell weekly etc. tickets on Oyster.

This is an outrageous scam by T.F.L., which means I now would now lose
?1 credit on my Oyster in order to get a bus to my local station which
is, presumably, the only place I can now buy a One Day Travelcard.
Does anyone know why one can't get a One Day Travelcard on Oyster?

It's funny that bus drivers don't even seem to know that this is now
the case, since my father when he tried bought a ticket on the bus one
morning was told by the driver that it would be cheaper for him to by
a One Day Bus Pass at the same newsagents!

M.M.

Why do you need a One Day Travelcard?

Because you are going on National Rail.

Probably about 50% of people have to do this each day.

tim

Since there are more passengers on the underground every day than on
the whole national rail network across Britain, I'm quite sure it's a
lot less than 50%.

I've read that statistic and I'm very suspicious of it. The trains in
south london are packed and when you throw in the commuter lines in
other large cities such as liverpool, manchester, glasgow, edinburgh
and on top of that cross country and long distance travellers. I'm
pretty sure it must come damn close.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*?-----------------------

It's based upon the fact that people make lots of journeys of 2 or 3 stops
on the Underground. ?People don't do this anywhere near as often on National
Rail (mainly because of the train frequency).

Tim- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As the original poster of this thread, I am delighted that so much
interest has been generated!

But, two points in reply:

1. No-one has answered why One Day Travelcards are not available on
Oyster. That availability would, at a stroke, remove my complaint.

Simple - TfL don't give a **** about you. No doubt 1 day travelcards
being used on the mainline was costing them money so they subtly
binned it. All Oyster is is a way for TfL to save money , nothing
more. All this more convenient for passengers balony is just spin.
Smartcard or magnetic strip is irrelevant to most people - they just
want to get to their destinations in a reasonable time and reasonable
comfort for a reasonable price. On which all counts TfL and LUL fail
miserably.

They are certainly in denial about the real world situation, and make
their excuses in terms of a situation that they know not to exist.

Like the previous poster, I think it would be very useful to put a one-
day travelcard on Oyster. Even if you normally only use PAYG, there
will be days when you have to use some National Rail, so get a one-day
travelcard instead.

It must be very common for people in that situation to be in the habit
of touching their Oyster at every gate, thus getting charged twice
(and possibly unresolved journeys). If the ODTC was on Oyster, it
would know not to charge PAYG.

Much better to include National Rail in the PAYG and Oyster capping
arrangements. I believe Boris is working towards this.

There will then be no need for a One Day Travelcard as the system will
automatically cap the payment at the rate for the One Day Travelcard.

In message
, at
02:41:56 on Sun, 29 Jun 2008, remarked:
Since there are more passengers on the underground every day than on
the whole national rail network across Britain, I'm quite sure it's a
lot less than 50%.

I've read that statistic and I'm very suspicious of it. The trains in
south london are packed and when you throw in the commuter lines in
other large cities such as liverpool, manchester, glasgow, edinburgh
and on top of that cross country and long distance travellers. I'm
pretty sure it must come damn close.

People are using the tube all day long, not just in the rush hour. And
for every National Rail commuter who gets out at somewhere like Kings
Cross, there are at least as many north Londoners staying on the train
to complete their journey (even in the rush hour).
--
Roland Perry

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On 28 Jun, 20:43, "tim....." wrote:
"Scott" wrote in message

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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:40:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

I could hardly believe, last week, when I tried to buy a One Day
Travelcard at my local newsgent, who had sold them for many years,
that they are no longer available there! The equipment, he told me, as
I could see, had been removed and all he can now do is add credit to
Oyster cards, or sell weekly etc. tickets on Oyster.

This is an outrageous scam by T.F.L., which means I now would now lose
£1 credit on my Oyster in order to get a bus to my local station which
is, presumably, the only place I can now buy a One Day Travelcard.
Does anyone know why one can't get a One Day Travelcard on Oyster?

It's funny that bus drivers don't even seem to know that this is now
the case, since my father when he tried bought a ticket on the bus one
morning was told by the driver that it would be cheaper for him to by
a One Day Bus Pass at the same newsagents!

M.M.

Why do you need a One Day Travelcard?

Because you are going on National Rail.

Probably about 50% of people have to do this each day.

tim

Since there are more passengers on the underground every day than on
the whole national rail network across Britain, I'm quite sure it's a
lot less than 50%.

-----------------------------------------------------------

That is an incorrect use of statistics. It is not the total journeys that
count, it is the initial journey.

Many people from South London (on a day out using a ODTC) will make their
initial journey on National Rail and then (say) 6 journeys on the
Underground and then a final journey on National Rail back home again. So
even people who need a paper ticket before they leave home will make the
majority of their journeys on the Underground.

tim

On Jun 29, 10:16*am, sweek wrote:
On 28 Jun, 20:43, "tim....." wrote:





"Scott" wrote in message

.. .

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:40:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

I could hardly believe, last week, when I tried to buy a One Day
Travelcard at my local newsgent, who had sold them for many years,
that they are no longer available there! The equipment, he told me, as
I could see, had been removed and all he can now do is add credit to
Oyster cards, or sell weekly etc. tickets on Oyster.

This is an outrageous scam by T.F.L., which means I now would now lose
£1 credit on my Oyster in order to get a bus to my local station which
is, presumably, the only place I can now buy a One Day Travelcard.
Does anyone know why one can't get a One Day Travelcard on Oyster?

It's funny that bus drivers don't even seem to know that this is now
the case, since my father when he tried bought a ticket on the bus one
morning was told by the driver that it would be cheaper for him to by
a One Day Bus Pass at the same newsagents!

M.M.

Why do you need a One Day Travelcard?

Because you are going on National Rail.

Probably about 50% of people have to do this each day.

tim

Since there are more passengers on the underground every day than on
the whole national rail network across Britain, I'm quite sure it's a
lot less than 50%.

Firstly, given that the people who have no alternative to one day
travelcards are those who use National Rail, surely the relative
proportion of National Rail-using one day travelcard holders must be
increasing?

Secondly, the number people who use LU includes all the people who
funnel in from National Rail, which may well be somewhere near half of
them.

Thirdly, it's not just National Rail. The DLR sells one day
travelcards but doesn't sell Oyster.