First Great Western will accept Oyster Pay As You Go at all stations
between Paddington and West Drayton or Greenford from the 21st
September, according to a leaflet I picked up at Ealing Broadway
yesterday. The fares and peak periods will be the same as for the
tube.

On 20 Sep, 14:56, Matthew Dickinson
wrote:
First Great Western will accept Oyster Pay As You Go at all stations
between Paddington and West Drayton or Greenford from the 21st
September, according to a leaflet I picked up at Ealing Broadway
yesterday. The fares and peak periods will be the same as for the
tube.


Excellent news.

South of the river, I've seen new installations of Oyster readers at
Brockley and East Dulwich stations (the one at ED was also noted by
someone else here as well). I'm not 100% up to date on developments
but I presume that the Southern Metro network is gearing up for Oyster
acceptance - I understand that the new South Central franchise will
contain a commitment to smart card ticketing - presumably with a
specific commitment to Oyster, as opposed to merely ITSO?.

Some follow on questions - who's paying for and co-ordinating these
new installations - Southern acting on instruction from the DfT to get
things ready for the new franchise (and possibly franchisee), or
Southern acting off their own back in the hope of impressing the DfT
so they win the new franchise (which seems unliekly). Obviously TfL
will be in the mix there somewhere as well, not least because they are
partially funding this work (or at least I think they are, going by
past pronouncements).

And presumably these new readers are capable of both reading the
proprietary Oyster cards and also the new ITSO smart cards? I recall
reading something along the line of this being the plan from now on,
and in addition to this something about the DfT having agreed to pay
for the existing installed base of Oyster readers to be modified so
they can also scan ITSO cards.

DERWENT FGW Oystercard PAYG
Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:56:02 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T


On 20 Sep, 14:56, Matthew Dickinson
wrote:
First Great Western will accept Oyster Pay As You Go at all stations
between Paddington and West Drayton or Greenford from the 21st
September, according to a leaflet I picked up at Ealing Broadway
yesterday. The fares and peak periods will be the same as for the
tube.


Excellent news.

South of the river, I've seen new installations of Oyster readers at
Brockley and East Dulwich stations (the one at ED was also noted by
someone else here as well). I'm not 100% up to date on developments
but I presume that the Southern Metro network is gearing up for Oyster
acceptance - I understand that the new South Central franchise will
contain a commitment to smart card ticketing - presumably with a
specific commitment to Oyster, as opposed to merely ITSO?.



Oystear readers have appeared at my local stations: Norwood Junction &
Selhurst. They are not in se yet though. No evidence of the ticket
offices being able to issue Oyster tickets yet though.

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On 21 Sep, 08:43, PRAR wrote:

(snip)

Oystear readers have appeared at my local stations: Norwood Junction &
Selhurst. They are not in se yet though. No evidence of the ticket
offices being able to issue Oyster tickets yet though.


One must assume that they will only come into use when the whole of
the Southern Metro network 'goes live' for Oyster PAYG acceptance,
though I'm not sure when that will be.

Ticket offices being able to issue Oyster products is theoretically no
big deal, as an Oyster pad device known as 'Pearl' should be attached
to the ticket issuing equipment, which - with an appropriate software
update - should then be able to issue such tickets. AIUI that's the
theory at least.

Mizter T wrote:

Ticket offices being able to issue Oyster products is theoretically no
big deal, as an Oyster pad device known as 'Pearl' should be attached
to the ticket issuing equipment, which - with an appropriate software
update - should then be able to issue such tickets. AIUI that's the
theory at least.

AFAIK, Pearl is the "standalone" Oyster only device being rolled out
across "Ticket Stops" that don't already have Oyster capabilities.

The only "Next Generation" [National Rail] Ticket Issuing System with
Oyster functionality that I'm aware of is Cubic's FasTIS+.

Cheers,

Barry

On 21 Sep, 15:57, Barry Salter wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
Ticket offices being able to issue Oyster products is theoretically no
big deal, as an Oyster pad device known as 'Pearl' should be attached
to the ticket issuing equipment, which - with an appropriate software
update - should then be able to issue such tickets. AIUI that's the
theory at least.

AFAIK, Pearl is the "standalone" Oyster only device being rolled out
across "Ticket Stops" that don't already have Oyster capabilities.

The only "Next Generation" [National Rail] Ticket Issuing System with
Oyster functionality that I'm aware of is Cubic's FasTIS+.


I stand corrected!

The reasons I mentioned Pearl is that the new Pearl pads at "Oyster
Ticket Stops" look similar to those used in NR ticket offices. I'll
try and find that TfL document that discussed the Pearl kit, I seem to
recall it being described as 'all purpose' or somesuch.

Apols for disseminating incorrect info about whether all NR ticket
offices' kit could easily be adapted to handle Oyster - I must admit
that, now you've said it, I recall reading something (probably one of
your past posts!) about the Cubic system being the only one that could
handle Oyster.

Is there no chance that the Fujitsu Star system could be adapted to
deal with it? And I forget - any idea which system Southern have at
their ticket offices?

"Matthew Dickinson" wrote in message

First Great Western will accept Oyster Pay As You Go at all stations
between Paddington and West Drayton or Greenford from the 21st
September, according to a leaflet I picked up at Ealing Broadway
yesterday. The fares and peak periods will be the same as for the
tube.

As a matter of interest, how do you get charged on a pre-pay Oyster card
if the journey involves both NR and LE, with an out of barrier change --
eg, if you take FGW from, say, Ealing Broadway to Paddington, then
change to the Circle from Paddington to, say, Baker Street? Is it
treated as a single zone 1-3 journey, or a zone 1-3 plus a zone 1
journey? And, presumably, the same rule applies with other operators,
such as Chiltern or even London Overground?

On 21 Sep, 15:30, "Recliner" wrote:

"Matthew Dickinson" wrote:

First Great Western will accept Oyster Pay As You Go at all stations
between Paddington and *West Drayton or Greenford from the 21st
September, according to a leaflet I picked up at Ealing Broadway
yesterday. The fares and peak periods will be the same as for the
tube.

As a matter of interest, how do you get charged on a pre-pay Oyster card
if the journey involves both NR and LE, with an out of barrier change -- *
eg, if you take FGW from, say, Ealing Broadway to Paddington, then
change to the Circle from Paddington to, say, Baker Street? *Is it
treated as a single zone 1-3 journey, or a zone 1-3 plus a zone 1
journey? *And, presumably, the same rule applies with other operators,
such as Chiltern or even London Overground?


I presume that "LE" is a typo for LU.

In scenarios such as that which you describe, you are only charged
once for the whole journey - the segment from Paddington to Baker
Street is merely counted as a continuation of your journey. This
applies at locations where there are out-of-station interchanges (OOSI
- we have sometimes referred to them here as 'outerchanges'!), though
that term is potentially confusing when one doesn't actually leave the
station, one just exits through an automatic gate, crosses a
concourse, drops down some stairs and then enters another gate.

It does remain possible that journeys on NR routes might be charged at
different different rates to the LU fare scale - in such a
hypothetical scenario what one pays for a combined NR and LU journey
would be open to question - however, thankfully, thus far all the TOCs
who have adopted Oyster PAYG have also adopted the LU fare scale as
well.

Mizter T wrote:
On 21 Sep, 15:30, "Recliner" wrote:
"Matthew Dickinson" wrote:
First Great Western will accept Oyster Pay As You Go at all stations
between Paddington and West Drayton or Greenford from the 21st
September, according to a leaflet I picked up at Ealing Broadway
yesterday. The fares and peak periods will be the same as for the
tube.

They accepted mine from Ealing Broadway on Heathrow Connect on Thursday.
The guard had a reader to confirm I had some credit on the card.

As a matter of interest, how do you get charged on a pre-pay Oyster card
if the journey involves both NR and LU, with an out of barrier change --
eg, if you take FGW from, say, Ealing Broadway to Paddington, then
change to the Circle from Paddington to, say, Baker Street? ....

In scenarios such as that which you describe, you are only charged
once for the whole journey - the segment from Paddington to Baker
Street is merely counted as a continuation of your journey. This
applies at locations where there are out-of-station interchanges (OOSI
- we have sometimes referred to them here as 'outerchanges'!), though
that term is potentially confusing when one doesn't actually leave the
station, one just exits through an automatic gate, crosses a
concourse, drops down some stairs and then enters another gate.

And it works. £2.50 charge shown on exit at Paddington; no extra charge
for continuation to Westminster.

Colin McKenzie


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On 21 Sep, 23:19, Colin McKenzie wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

On 21 Sep, 15:30, "Recliner" wrote:

"Matthew Dickinson" wrote:
First Great Western will accept Oyster Pay As You Go at all stations
between Paddington and *West Drayton or Greenford from the 21st
September, according to a leaflet I picked up at Ealing Broadway
yesterday. The fares and peak periods will be the same as for the
tube.

They accepted mine from Ealing Broadway on Heathrow Connect on Thursday.
The guard had a reader to confirm I had some credit on the card.

FGW (and Heathrow Connect) have accepted Oyster PAYG for journeys
between Greenford, Ealing Broadway and Paddington since May - but
*not* at intermediate stations on the Greenford line, nor at stations
any further west than Ealing Broadway. See Mr Dickinson's post here
from the time:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....60143b1829fb83

(Incidentally, before FGW started accepted Oyster PAYG for journeys to/
from Paddington, they were accepting it for journeys between Greenford
and Ealing Broadway but not at intermediate stations).

So with regards to your journey from Ealing B'way to Paddington,
Oyster PAYG acceptance is nothing brand new (though it is relatively
new).



As a matter of interest, how do you get charged on a pre-pay Oyster card
if the journey involves both NR and LU, with an out of barrier change -- *
eg, if you take FGW from, say, Ealing Broadway to Paddington, then
change to the Circle from Paddington to, say, Baker Street? ....

In scenarios such as that which you describe, you are only charged
once for the whole journey - the segment from Paddington to Baker
Street is merely counted as a continuation of your journey. This
applies at locations where there are out-of-station interchanges (OOSI
- we have sometimes referred to them here as 'outerchanges'!), though
that term is potentially confusing when one doesn't actually leave the
station, one just exits through an automatic gate, crosses a
concourse, drops down some stairs and then enters another gate.

And it works. £2.50 charge shown on exit at Paddington; no extra charge
for continuation to Westminster.


Just as it should. This is no different from the situation if one
arrives by NR train at Euston from (say) Harrow & Wealdstone, or at
Marylebone from (say) Amersham, or Liverpool Street from Stratford, or
Kings Cross from Finsbury Park etc etc - in all of these cases (and
many others) where one must exit and re-enter through gates the Oyster
system merely counts it as a continuation of the original journey.

(And I'm pretty sure that Marylebone NR and Baker Street LU are tied
together as being a valid OOSI, and I think this is also the case with
regards to Fenchurch Street NR and Tower Hill LU - though annoyingly
Paddington NR and Lancaster Gate LU is not an OOSI.)