On Oct 9, 8:05�pm, "4sub" wrote:
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From the union's website today (MY RESPONSE IN UPPER-CASE):-

Unite submitted a London wide claim to all bus operators in March of
this year to challenge the current system whereby drivers (and other
grades) performing identical jobs within the TfL regulated industry,
receive hugely varying pay and conditions.

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD: DIFFERENT PEOPLE DOING THE SAME JOB IN
DIFFERENT COMPANIES GET PAID DIFFERENTLY. GET REAL AND GET OVER IT.

Unite is calling for a single rate of pay for drivers of ?30,000 a
year, based on a 38 hour week. Currently the 18 London bus companies
all operate with different pay structures, with pay inequalities of up
to ?6,000 a year.

?30,000 A YEAR!!!! �I WENT TO UNIVERSITY FOR 4 YEARS, AND DID 2 YEARS'
TRAINING AFTER THAT, AND 20 YEARS LATER I STILL DON'T GET THAT MUCH!
SHOCK HORROR: SOME DRIVERS EARN ?6,000 LESS THAN OTHERS!!!!! � 38
HOURS A BLOODY WEEK AND ?30,0000 - I AM GENUINELY INCREDULOUS!

Peter Kavanagh, Unite senior regional organiser, said: "There is a
startling disparity between bus drivers' pay in the capital, with
rosters in some companies seeing many drivers' complete nearly 60
hours per week.

WHAT'S "STARTLING" ABOUT PAY DISPARITY? OKAY, LET'S EQUALISE
EVERYTHING DOWN TO THE LOWEST CURRENT PAY AVAILABLE.

"Not only is this potentially unsafe, it is unfair to have bus workers
across London doing the same job for less money or having to put in
much longer hours.

WHAT IS "UNSAFE" ABOUT SOME DRIVERS EARNING MORE THAN OTHERS? OR DO
SOME DRIVERS ONLY BECOME "SAFE" WHEN EARNING OVER ?30,000P.A.?

"Our members will continue to strike

AND TREAT THE REST OF US WITH UTTER CONTEMPT

and we will continue to ballot further bus companies until Boris
Johnson listens up

WHAT'S IT GOT TO DO WITH HIM?

and engages in serious discussions for equal pay for all London bus
workers."

THESE ARE PRIVATE COMPANIES, AND FREE TO PAY WHATEVER THE MARKET WILL
TAKE. TYPICAL THAT THE UNIONS SHOULD WANT TO INVOLVE CITY HALL
BUREAUCRATS TO SUPPORT THEIR SPURIOUS CLAIM - THE WHOLE POINT OF
PRIVATISATION WAS TO PREVENT THIS NONSENSE.

Marc.

Sounds like you need to drive a bus and earn real money.

Yes, I'd be GLAD to work for 38 hours a week and get up to �30,000,
regular hours, no "homework", paid holidays, free travel, pension,
free uniform etc, etc. Sounds like a real cushy number - pity the
striking "drivers" don't think so.

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On Oct 9, 8:05�pm, "4sub" wrote:
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From the union's website today (MY RESPONSE IN UPPER-CASE):-

Unite submitted a London wide claim to all bus operators in March of
this year to challenge the current system whereby drivers (and other
grades) performing identical jobs within the TfL regulated industry,
receive hugely varying pay and conditions.

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD: DIFFERENT PEOPLE DOING THE SAME JOB IN
DIFFERENT COMPANIES GET PAID DIFFERENTLY. GET REAL AND GET OVER IT.

Unite is calling for a single rate of pay for drivers of ?30,000 a
year, based on a 38 hour week. Currently the 18 London bus companies
all operate with different pay structures, with pay inequalities of up
to ?6,000 a year.

?30,000 A YEAR!!!! �I WENT TO UNIVERSITY FOR 4 YEARS, AND DID 2 YEARS'
TRAINING AFTER THAT, AND 20 YEARS LATER I STILL DON'T GET THAT MUCH!
SHOCK HORROR: SOME DRIVERS EARN ?6,000 LESS THAN OTHERS!!!!! � 38
HOURS A BLOODY WEEK AND ?30,0000 - I AM GENUINELY INCREDULOUS!

Peter Kavanagh, Unite senior regional organiser, said: "There is a
startling disparity between bus drivers' pay in the capital, with
rosters in some companies seeing many drivers' complete nearly 60
hours per week.

WHAT'S "STARTLING" ABOUT PAY DISPARITY? OKAY, LET'S EQUALISE
EVERYTHING DOWN TO THE LOWEST CURRENT PAY AVAILABLE.

"Not only is this potentially unsafe, it is unfair to have bus workers
across London doing the same job for less money or having to put in
much longer hours.

WHAT IS "UNSAFE" ABOUT SOME DRIVERS EARNING MORE THAN OTHERS? OR DO
SOME DRIVERS ONLY BECOME "SAFE" WHEN EARNING OVER ?30,000P.A.?

"Our members will continue to strike

AND TREAT THE REST OF US WITH UTTER CONTEMPT

and we will continue to ballot further bus companies until Boris
Johnson listens up

WHAT'S IT GOT TO DO WITH HIM?

and engages in serious discussions for equal pay for all London bus
workers."

THESE ARE PRIVATE COMPANIES, AND FREE TO PAY WHATEVER THE MARKET WILL
TAKE. TYPICAL THAT THE UNIONS SHOULD WANT TO INVOLVE CITY HALL
BUREAUCRATS TO SUPPORT THEIR SPURIOUS CLAIM - THE WHOLE POINT OF
PRIVATISATION WAS TO PREVENT THIS NONSENSE.

Marc.

Sounds like you need to drive a bus and earn real money.

Yes, I'd be GLAD to work for 38 hours a week and get up to �30,000,
regular hours, no "homework", paid holidays, free travel, pension,
free uniform etc, etc. Sounds like a real cushy number - pity the
striking "drivers" don't think so.


**** me youre right!! Were do I go to join?? ......I,ll bring the whole
family over from Warsaw!!

Miroslaw Czovinski

On 9 Oct, 20:10, " wrote:
On Oct 9, 8:05 pm, "4sub" wrote:
Sounds like you need to drive a bus and earn real money.

Yes, I'd be GLAD to work for 38 hours a week and get up to 30,000,
regular hours, no "homework", paid holidays, free travel, pension,
free uniform etc, etc. *Sounds like a real cushy number - pity the
striking "drivers" don't think so.

Feel free to take a PSV test. Free uniform is hardly a perk, having to
wear a uniform is a major disadvantage -- it'd be worse than having to
wear a suit!

Paid holidays are quite normal for people on continuing contracts.

Feel free to take a PSV test. Free uniform is hardly a perk, having to
wear a uniform is a major disadvantage -- it'd be worse than having to
wear a suit!

I spend about �1,500 p.a. on clothing and laundering, so free uniform
would be a perk for me.

But free travel, paid holidays, paid sick leave, contributory pension
are all luxuries to someone who is self-employed and earns nothing
when ill or on holiday, has to provide his own pension, medical
insurance etc, etc.

Marc.

And, indeed, I will earn nothing on Friday thanks to these *******s
who will prevent me from getting to work.

Marc.

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And, indeed, I will earn nothing on Friday thanks to these *******s
who will prevent me from getting to work.

Marc.

Really, are you trapped in 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist's'.

On Oct 9, 9:04 pm, " wrote:
Feel free to take a PSV test. Free uniform is hardly a perk, having to
wear a uniform is a major disadvantage -- it'd be worse than having to
wear a suit!

I spend about 1,500 p.a. on clothing and laundering, so free uniform
would be a perk for me.

But free travel, paid holidays, paid sick leave, contributory pension
are all luxuries to someone who is self-employed and earns nothing
when ill or on holiday, has to provide his own pension, medical
insurance etc, etc.

Typical contractors we employ in my office get about 2x normal salary
-- and that's quite low for the field.

If you're in a £24k job and spending 10% of your net income on
clothing, you need to get a new job.

On 10 Oct, 09:32, Paul Weaver wrote:
Typical contractors we employ in my office get about 2x normal salary
-- and that's quite low for the field.

If you're in a £24k job and spending 10% of your net income on
clothing, you need to get a new job.

Indeed. I've never been especially convinced by the logic of "I've got
two PhDs in astrophysics and only make GBP5 per week, so
$group_of_manual_workers should starve in the gutter"...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Oct 10, 10:00 am, John B wrote:
Indeed. I've never been especially convinced by the logic of "I've got
two PhDs in astrophysics and only make GBP5 per week, so
$group_of_manual_workers should starve in the gutter"...

A job should be paid on the amount of effort (either physical or
mental) or danger it entails. Hence deep sea divers are paid a lot,
scientists and soldiers should be paid a lot but arn't , bus drivers
should not. Their job is neither mentally or physically taxing and
apart from the odd yob with a flick knife in certain dodgy areas not
exactly dangerous either.

B2003

On 10 Oct, 11:37, Boltar wrote:
On Oct 10, 10:00 am, John B wrote:

Indeed. I've never been especially convinced by the logic of "I've got
two PhDs in astrophysics and only make GBP5 per week, so
$group_of_manual_workers should starve in the gutter"...

A job should be paid on the amount of effort (either physical or
mental) or danger it entails.

A job should be paid on the end result. Valuing that result is easier
said than done though.

Hence deep sea divers are paid a lot,
scientists and soldiers should be paid a lot but arn't , bus drivers
should not. Their job is neither mentally or physically taxing and
apart from the odd yob with a flick knife in certain dodgy areas not
exactly dangerous either.

Should cycle couriers be paid a fortune?