On 11 Nov, 21:39, Paul Weaver wrote:
[...] buses are a distress purchase [...]

Disagree most strongly in the case of London, although absolutely
acknowledge that fellow fellow passengers are capable of making
journeys distressing.

On 11 Nov, 21:46, Mizter T wrote:

Disagree most strongly in the case of London, although absolutely
acknowledge that fellow fellow passengers are capable of making
journeys distressing.

IMO, the Tube, especially the deep Tube, is a distress purchase in
central London. The bus is by far the most civilised way to get
around, offering a seat, a view and (if not on a Travelcard) a cheaper
fare as well. The only real downside is the lower speed.

Neil

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(Neil Williams) wrote:

On 11 Nov, 21:46, Mizter T wrote:

Disagree most strongly in the case of London, although absolutely
acknowledge that fellow fellow passengers are capable of making
journeys distressing.

IMO, the Tube, especially the deep Tube, is a distress purchase in
central London. The bus is by far the most civilised way to get
around, offering a seat, a view and (if not on a Travelcard) a cheaper
fare as well. The only real downside is the lower speed.

I don't agree at all. I much prefer tube and other trains if the option is
available.

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Colin Rosenstiel

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:34:26 -0600,
wrote:

I don't agree at all. I much prefer tube and other trains if the option is
available.

I prefer trains if they're not overcrowded (i.e. I can get a seat).
In London, they usually are, whereas most bus routes aren't. This
being the case, the bus is vastly more attractive to me.

Neil

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(Neil Williams) wrote:

On 11 Nov, 21:46, Mizter T wrote:

Disagree most strongly in the case of London, although absolutely
acknowledge that fellow fellow passengers are capable of making
journeys distressing.

IMO, the Tube, especially the deep Tube, is a distress purchase in
central London. The bus is by far the most civilised way to get
around, offering a seat, a view and (if not on a Travelcard) a cheaper
fare as well. The only real downside is the lower speed.

I don't agree at all. I much prefer tube and other trains if the option is
available.

I have a bad back and I prefer Tube & Train every time. A Bus is only
ever as good as it's driver, and sadly many seem poorly trained these
days and seem to get their ideas on driving from Top Gear :-)

Plus of course so many councils seem to have put speed bumps on bus
routes. Now that really does help my back !!

--
Edward Cowling "It's a thief in the night to come and grab you
It can creep up inside you and consume you"

In message , at 11:56:23 on Sun,
16 Nov 2008, Edward Cowling London UK
remarked:
Plus of course so many councils seem to have put speed bumps on bus
routes. Now that really does help my back !!

Tell me about it! At the stop I get off most often, the council has put
one of those "pedestrian platforms" across the road just before the
stop. If I'm downstairs at the back of the bus and I'm standing (well,
slouching even though I'm quite short) it always seems to make me hit my
head on the ceiling.
--
Roland Perry

"Edward Cowling London UK" wrote in message
...

I have a bad back and I prefer Tube & Train every time. A Bus is only ever
as good as it's driver, and sadly many seem poorly trained these days and
seem to get their ideas on driving from Top Gear :-)

I have noticed on several occasions that drivers seem to slam the brakes way
too hard, particularly on double deckers as people are coming down the
stairs.

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:38:49 -0000, wrote:

I have noticed on several occasions that drivers seem to slam the brakes way
too hard, particularly on double deckers as people are coming down the
stairs.

The classic London binary throttle - only two settings, those being
full acceleration and emergency braking.

It is understandable, though, given the atrocious state of bus
infrastructure in Central London.

Neil

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On 16 Nov, 13:56, (Neil Williams)
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:38:49 -0000, wrote:
I have noticed on several occasions that drivers seem to slam the brakes way
too hard, particularly on double deckers as people are coming down the
stairs.

The classic London binary throttle - only two settings, those being
full acceleration and emergency braking.

It is understandable, though, given the atrocious state of bus
infrastructure in Central London.


Would you care to expand on that point Neil?

wrote ...
I have noticed on several occasions that drivers seem to slam the brakes
way too hard, particularly on double deckers as people are coming down the
stairs.

I doubt the two are connected.

There are (of course), some bad drivers, but most of the excessive breaking
is due to other road users not seeing a large moving object. Cyclists and
pedestrians do their share, but I never fail to be amazed at the sheer bad
manners of car drivers coming out of side roads - or changing lanes -
knowing that the bus driver has good brakes - and has to use them.

I either read a book on a bus - or sit at the front upstairs and pretend to
be a tourist; I see idiots in front of the bus on a daily basis.
--

Andrew

"She plays the tuba.
It is the only instrument capable
of imitating a distress call."