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Buses waiting time and blocking the road
I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I
have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is this strictly speaking legal. They load up then wait for about a minute before moving off delaying the traffic behind. Maybe there are more buses running early as there is less traffic on the road but are they allowed to just stop at a bus stop. It would be better if they just kept on going. If they get to their destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than hogging the road for no good reason. |
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I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is this strictly speaking legal. They load up then wait for about a minute before moving off delaying the traffic behind. Maybe there are more buses running early as there is less traffic on the road but are they allowed to just stop at a bus stop. It would be better if they just kept on going. If they get to their destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than hogging the road for no good reason. With the new satellite surveillance, control can now more easily see gaps in the service, and it''s certainly more frequecnt to be held to close a gap than it ever was - although now we're told about it, it may just be that we're more aware. There is good reason; a lightly loaded bus romping home early can play havoc with those following that then have longer queues and get steadily later. It's not for nothing that drivers who are ahead of schedule risk more severe discipline tha those who are untimely late. It's not often about the timetable - late buses may be held too - it's about traffic congestion. But - while I stand by pretty much all I've said, it does need to be applied more intelligently; they need to study each route and select key places where buses can be held *without* being a menace to other road users (dedicated laybys exist on most routes, but not at every stop). A smaller issue is the lack of space for buses at the end of the line; for months, for example, the 341 has 'officially' parked up in a bus lane on the A23 Westminster Bridge Road (rather than continue 150 metres to the first stop in Baylis Road where passengers would tap on the doors while the driver took his breather). This was because building work at Westminster Bridge (south end) had blocked their layby. Loopy; I could name several more sensible places. -- Andrew "She plays the tuba. It is the only instrument capable of imitating a distress call." |
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"David Hansen" wrote in message
... On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) someone who may be wrote this:- I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is this strictly speaking legal. Yes. It's called a bus STOP. There's a clue in the name. |
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"Graculus" wrote:-
I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is this strictly speaking legal. Yes. It's called a bus STOP. There's a clue in the name. Whoooosh! |
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@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com, says... I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is this strictly speaking legal. Yes. They load up then wait for about a minute before moving off delaying the traffic behind. Perhaps, like in my area, the driver is waiting for the 80 year old lady to get to her seat before setting off. It would be better if they just kept on going. If they get to their destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than hogging the road for no good reason. ROFLMAO. Might as well dispense with the timetable altogether. -- Conor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams |
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wrote in message ... I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is this strictly speaking legal. They load up then wait for about a minute before moving off delaying the traffic behind. Maybe there are more buses running early as there is less traffic on the road but are they allowed to just stop at a bus stop. It would be better if they just kept on going. If they get to their destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than hogging the road for no good reason. There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops that are 100% out of traffic flow and ban them from stopping where they don't. |
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"Depresion" 127.0.0.1 wrote in message
et... wrote in message ... I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is this strictly speaking legal. They load up then wait for about a minute before moving off delaying the traffic behind. Maybe there are more buses running early as there is less traffic on the road but are they allowed to just stop at a bus stop. It would be better if they just kept on going. If they get to their destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than hogging the road for no good reason. There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops that are 100% out of traffic flow and ban them from stopping where they don't. Bus companies don't have the right to build laybys wherever they need a stop and on many routes there wouldn't be any place to put them , or alternative locations to use -- Alex "I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away" |
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Dr Zoidberg wrote:
"Depresion" 127.0.0.1 wrote in message et... wrote in message ... I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is this strictly speaking legal. They load up then wait for about a minute before moving off delaying the traffic behind. Maybe there are more buses running early as there is less traffic on the road but are they allowed to just stop at a bus stop. It would be better if they just kept on going. If they get to their destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than hogging the road for no good reason. There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops that are 100% out of traffic flow and ban them from stopping where they don't. Bus companies don't have the right to build laybys wherever they need a stop and on many routes there wouldn't be any place to put them , or alternative locations to use Some cities have even deliberately filled in bus lay-bys just to make congestion worse, so that they can then blame the car user for ensuing chaos. Also, as bus drivers are disciplined for leaving a stop early, I don't really think that they'll want to put their job on the line by disobeying company instructions. After all, if the traffic commissioners get to hear of it, the bus company can then be heavily fined and forced, in some cases, to take some of their buses off the road as a further "punishment"! -- Moving things in still pictures! |
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On Dec 4, 3:11*pm, David Hansen
wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) someone who may be wrote this:- I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. *Is this strictly speaking legal. Yes. Actually, the answer could well be NO. It depends on the wording in the traffic order, assuming that there is an order in force and that there are yellow or red lines on the road at that point. Some, but not all, traffic orders state that a bus can stop to pick up or set down passengers at a stop, but there could well be no provision to wait at that point beyond doing so. Also, if there is no reference to a bus stop in the order, then a bus has no more right than any other vehicle to wait on a restricted stretch of road. I've known over-enthusiastic parking attendants in at least one nameless Inner London borough to ticket buses while they stood at a stop with no passengers in sight. Of course common sense usually prevails and there is no such enforcement, although it can be a pain in some locations. Of course where there are no restrictions, a bus has as much (or as little) right as any other vehicle to wait. Peter |
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:06:35 -0000 someone who may be "Depresion"
127.0.0.1 wrote this:- There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops that are 100% out of traffic flow Bus companies don't install bus stops. Councils do that. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:37:40 +0000 someone who may be ®i©ardo
wrote this:- Some cities have even deliberately filled in bus lay-bys Correct. just to make congestion worse, Incorrect. There are a number of reasons for exterminating bus laybys, from widening a former narrow part of the pavement, through allowing the driver to pull away as soon as everyone is off/on to making sure bus and bus boarder align in order to make life easier for everyone but particularly those with mobility problems. Any traffic calming effect is just a bonus. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:07:12 -0800 (PST) someone who may be Peter
Heather wrote this:- I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. *Is this strictly speaking legal. Yes. Actually, the answer could well be NO. It depends on the wording in the traffic order, assuming that there is an order in force and that there are yellow or red lines on the road at that point. A fair amount of assuming in that. It may be a fair assumption on some roads in cities, but that is about it. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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"Peter Heather" wrote in message
... On Dec 4, 3:11 pm, David Hansen wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) someone who may be wrote this:- I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is this strictly speaking legal. Yes. Actually, the answer could well be NO. It depends on the wording in the traffic order, assuming that there is an order in force and that there are yellow or red lines on the road at that point. Some, but not all, traffic orders state that a bus can stop to pick up or set down passengers at a stop, but there could well be no provision to wait at that point beyond doing so. Also, if there is no reference to a bus stop in the order, then a bus has no more right than any other vehicle to wait on a restricted stretch of road. I've known over-enthusiastic parking attendants in at least one nameless Inner London borough to ticket buses while they stood at a stop with no passengers in sight. ==== A coach in Oxford was ticketed for stopping for one minute to let a disabled person on - which required letting down a mobility ramp. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/o...re/7763903.stm A classic case of the letter of the law being seen to be more important than its spirit, and a lack of common sense being applied. Where do they get these jobsworths from - to quote David Jason as Inspector Frost "Were you *born* cold-blooded? Or is there some sort of transfusion you can get on the NHS these days?" ;-) |
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In message , Mortimer
writes "Peter Heather" wrote in message ... On Dec 4, 3:11 pm, David Hansen wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) someone who may be wrote this:- I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is this strictly speaking legal. Yes. Actually, the answer could well be NO. It depends on the wording in the traffic order, assuming that there is an order in force and that there are yellow or red lines on the road at that point. Some, but not all, traffic orders state that a bus can stop to pick up or set down passengers at a stop, but there could well be no provision to wait at that point beyond doing so. Also, if there is no reference to a bus stop in the order, then a bus has no more right than any other vehicle to wait on a restricted stretch of road. I've known over-enthusiastic parking attendants in at least one nameless Inner London borough to ticket buses while they stood at a stop with no passengers in sight. ==== A coach in Oxford was ticketed for stopping for one minute to let a disabled person on - which required letting down a mobility ramp. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/o...re/7763903.stm A classic case of the letter of the law being seen to be more important than its spirit, and a lack of common sense being applied. Where do they get these jobsworths from - to quote David Jason as Inspector Frost "Were you *born* cold-blooded? Or is there some sort of transfusion you can get on the NHS these days?" ;-) I suspect in the Oxford case there's more to this than meets the eye, not least concerning the actual location of the incident. There's a thread in uk.transport.buses on it at the moment. -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message ... "Depresion" 127.0.0.1 wrote in message et... wrote in message ... I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is this strictly speaking legal. They load up then wait for about a minute before moving off delaying the traffic behind. Maybe there are more buses running early as there is less traffic on the road but are they allowed to just stop at a bus stop. It would be better if they just kept on going. If they get to their destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than hogging the road for no good reason. There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops that are 100% out of traffic flow and ban them from stopping where they don't. Bus companies don't have the right to build laybys wherever they need a stop and on many routes there wouldn't be any place to put them , or alternative locations to use Then they don't get to stop and traffic can flow again. Good solution. |
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"David Hansen" wrote in message ... On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:37:40 +0000 someone who may be ®i©ardo wrote this:- Some cities have even deliberately filled in bus lay-bys Correct. just to make congestion worse, Incorrect. There are a number of reasons for exterminating bus laybys, from widening a former narrow part of the pavement, through allowing the driver to pull away as soon as everyone is off/on to making sure bus and bus boarder align in order to make life easier for everyone Incorrect, it makes life easier for the few people who drive buses and screws up traffic for far more people. |
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"David Hansen" wrote in message ... On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:06:35 -0000 someone who may be "Depresion" 127.0.0.1 wrote this:- There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops that are 100% out of traffic flow Bus companies don't install bus stops. Then they don't get to stop. It's about time they started paying there way. |
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Mortimer wrote:
A coach in Oxford was ticketed for stopping for one minute to let a disabled person on - which required letting down a mobility ramp. [snip] Where do they get these jobsworths from - to quote David Jason as Inspector Frost "Were you *born* cold-blooded? Or is there some sort of transfusion you can get on the NHS these days?" ;-) A couple of colleagues took some equipment into central London. They stopped the car in a parking bay, under the watchful eye of a Traffic Warden, put four quid in the meter and started to unload. All watched by the said TW. When they returned for the next box the TW was photographing the car and typing up a ticket. They asked him what was going on and he pointed out that although the meter they had put money in looked like the one for the parking bay, it was in fact for the next bay along. They moved the car but still got the ticket. Of course the Jobsworth sat and watched them pay at the wrong meter without correcting their mistake or even telling them to move one parking bay backwards. They said the only pleasure they got out of the incident was seeing a truck run over the TWs scooter. As you say, born cold blooded. |
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Depresion wrote:
"David Hansen" wrote in message ... On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:06:35 -0000 someone who may be "Depresion" 127.0.0.1 wrote this:- There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops that are 100% out of traffic flow Bus companies don't install bus stops. Then they don't get to stop. It's about time they started paying there way. What makes you think they don't? |
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In message , Depresion
writes it makes life easier for the few people who drive buses and screws up traffic for far more people. Correct, in the little town where I live, on a main road is a bus stop and right opposite it is an island in the middle of the road so that when the bus stops all traffic behind is held up, not even a cyclist could get through. -- Clive |
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On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:31:28 -0000, Depresion put finger to keyboard
and typed: "David Hansen" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:06:35 -0000 someone who may be "Depresion" 127.0.0.1 wrote this:- There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops that are 100% out of traffic flow Bus companies don't install bus stops. Then they don't get to stop. It's about time they started paying there way. Unless it's a "no loading" area, a bus can stop wherever it wants to, just like any car can. Bus stops are provided by the council for the convenience of passengers, and bus companies use them because there's no reason not to. If the council didn't provide bus stops, the buses would just stop wherever was convenient for them. Mark -- "There must be a place, under the sun, where hearts of olden glory grow young" http://mark.goodge.co.uk - my pointless blog http://www.good-stuff.co.uk - my less pointless stuff |
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David Hansen wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) someone who may be wrote this:- I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is this strictly speaking legal. Yes. They load up then wait for about a minute before moving off delaying the traffic behind. [snip] It would be better if they just kept on going. Tell that to passengers who miss the bus because it is running early. You cut the important point of 'If they get to their destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than hogging the road for no good reason', you nob. |
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On 4 Dec, 21:07, Peter Heather wrote:
On Dec 4, 3:11*pm, David Hansen wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) someone who may be wrote this:- I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. *Is this strictly speaking legal. Yes. Actually, the answer could well be NO. It depends on the wording in the traffic order, assuming that there is an order in force and that there are yellow or red lines on the road at that point. Some, but not all, traffic orders state that a bus can stop to pick up or set down passengers at a stop, but there could well be no provision to wait at that point beyond doing so. Also, if there is no reference to a bus stop in the order, then a bus has no more right than any other vehicle to wait on a restricted stretch of road. I've known over-enthusiastic parking attendants in at least one nameless Inner London borough to ticket buses while they stood at a stop with no passengers in sight. Almost every day I see at least one bus "broken down" at a bus stop, doors closed, driver reading the paper, hazards flashing away. Buses must be very unreliable |
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Paul Weaver wrote:
On 4 Dec, 21:07, Peter Heather wrote: On Dec 4, 3:11 pm, David Hansen wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) someone who may be wrote this:- I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is this strictly speaking legal. Yes. Actually, the answer could well be NO. It depends on the wording in the traffic order, assuming that there is an order in force and that there are yellow or red lines on the road at that point. Some, but not all, traffic orders state that a bus can stop to pick up or set down passengers at a stop, but there could well be no provision to wait at that point beyond doing so. Also, if there is no reference to a bus stop in the order, then a bus has no more right than any other vehicle to wait on a restricted stretch of road. I've known over-enthusiastic parking attendants in at least one nameless Inner London borough to ticket buses while they stood at a stop with no passengers in sight. Almost every day I see at least one bus "broken down" at a bus stop, doors closed, driver reading the paper, hazards flashing away. Buses must be very unreliable Are you certain that it's broken down? |
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"Depresion" 127.0.0.1 wrote ... Bus companies don't have the right to build laybys wherever they need a stop and on many routes there wouldn't be any place to put them , or alternative locations to use Then they don't get to stop and traffic can flow again. Good solution. Troll-o-meter score = 2 *plonk* |
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:16:13 +0000 someone who may be Abo
wrote this:- It would be better if they just kept on going. Tell that to passengers who miss the bus because it is running early. You cut the important point of 'If they get to their destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than hogging the road for no good reason', The waiting passengers will not get to their destination early if they miss the bus. As for the bus itself, even on a reserved road it is not possible to ensure that trains always arrive everywhere on time. All sorts of factors may influence this, including how many passengers there are. On a general access road it is even more unlikely that a bus will arrive everywhere on time. The best solution to this is to have timing points, as has already been explained. you nob. Excellent, personal abuse. Usually the resort of those with no better arguments. Do keep making a fool of yourself in this way, if you want to. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:30:53 -0000 someone who may be "Depresion"
127.0.0.1 wrote this:- There are a number of reasons for exterminating bus laybys, from widening a former narrow part of the pavement, through allowing the driver to pull away as soon as everyone is off/on to making sure bus and bus boarder align in order to make life easier for everyone Incorrect, it makes life easier for the few people who drive buses and screws up traffic for far more people. Yawn. I'll add the words I typed back in, the words after, "everyone". "but particularly those with mobility problems." Nice try. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:29:15 -0000 someone who may be "Depresion"
127.0.0.1 wrote this:- Bus companies don't have the right to build laybys wherever they need a stop and on many routes there wouldn't be any place to put them , or alternative locations to use Then they don't get to stop and traffic can flow again. Good solution. (Motor) traffic is stopped by many things. The greatest cause of delays to traffic is motorists in cars. There are so many of them that they clog roads in towns. After that delays are caused by things like road junctions, though these are really a manifestation of too many motorists. There are two ways to solve congestion. The first way to do this only works for a while, knock everything down and expand into the countryside. Where this has been tried it has only worked for a while before congestion rose again. Los Angeles is a good example. The second way works in the long term. Transfer some of the trips to walking, cycling and public transport. One of the ways to do this is to make buses more attractive. One of the ways of making buses more attractive is by filling in laybys and installing better stops and bus boarders in the space the layby used to take up. Not only does it work but it is better for everyone, despite the whining of a small but vocal minority. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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David Hansen gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying: (Motor) traffic is stopped by many things. The greatest cause of delays to traffic is motorists in cars. ITYM "traffic" The second way works in the long term. Transfer some of the trips to walking, cycling and public transport. One of the ways to do this is to make buses more attractive. One of the ways of making buses more attractive is by filling in laybys and installing better stops and bus boarders in the space the layby used to take up. Deliberately introducing delays to traffic benefits buses, how? After all, those self-same buses will be delayed by that traffic, since they're PART OF THE TRAFFIC, using those same roads and junctions. |
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On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:40:18 -0000, Brimstone put finger to keyboard
and typed: Paul Weaver wrote: Almost every day I see at least one bus "broken down" at a bus stop, doors closed, driver reading the paper, hazards flashing away. Buses must be very unreliable Are you certain that it's broken down? I rather suspect that's his point! Mark -- "There must be a place, under the sun, where hearts of olden glory grow young" http://mark.goodge.co.uk - my pointless blog http://www.good-stuff.co.uk - my less pointless stuff |
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On 5 Dec 2008 14:21:32 GMT someone who may be Adrian
wrote this:- (Motor) traffic is stopped by many things. The greatest cause of delays to traffic is motorists in cars. ITYM "traffic" I meant what I typed, motor traffic. Cyclists and their vehicles are less encumbered by motor vehicle constipation. The second way works in the long term. Transfer some of the trips to walking, cycling and public transport. One of the ways to do this is to make buses more attractive. One of the ways of making buses more attractive is by filling in laybys and installing better stops and bus boarders in the space the layby used to take up. Deliberately introducing delays to traffic benefits buses, how? Your point relies on a false premise, contained in the first five words, which I explained before. However, given that motorists cause most of the delays to motorised traffic (a term which, for the avoidance of doubt, includes buses) by the sheer volume of motorists there are things which can be done. One of these things is to encourage motorists out of their little metal prisons by making alternatives more attractive. Another thing is to relocate the congestion to places where it is easier for public transport vehicles to have priority (and thus encourage further modal shift). Bus lanes and virtual bus lanes are examples of this approach. One place where this has been done is the A90 from the Forth Road Bridge into Edinburgh. As I recall the results, as well as speeding up priority vehicles by something like 20 minutes it also speeded up motorists by a minute or two. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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Adrian wrote:
Deliberately introducing delays to traffic benefits buses, how? it doesn't. But Hansen has been into evidence free mantra for so long that there's little point questioning his religious beliefs. |
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David Hansen gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying: (Motor) traffic is stopped by many things. The greatest cause of delays to traffic is motorists in cars. ITYM "traffic" I meant what I typed, motor traffic. Which isn't what you typed. You typed "motorists in cars". Look up a bit - it's still quoted, unedited. Cyclists and their vehicles are less encumbered by motor vehicle constipation. Sure. But buses, trucks, vans and other non "motorists in their cars" traffic is part of, vehicle-for-vehicle a greater contributor to, and affected by that traffic. The second way works in the long term. Transfer some of the trips to walking, cycling and public transport. One of the ways to do this is to make buses more attractive. One of the ways of making buses more attractive is by filling in laybys and installing better stops and bus boarders in the space the layby used to take up. Deliberately introducing delays to traffic benefits buses, how? Your point relies on a false premise, contained in the first five words, Ah, so those bus-stop laybys get filled in unwittingly? Or is the effect - which you then describe as beneficial - unknown until it inevitably happens? which I explained before. You did. However, since you've already contradicted that explanation, you'll excuse me for being sceptical about it. One of these things is to encourage motorists out of their little metal prisons ****, you're as bad as Duhg. by making alternatives more attractive. "Buses - currently so bad "little metal prisons" are preferable." You do do the hard-sell well... As I recall the results, as well as speeding up priority vehicles by something like 20 minutes it also speeded up motorists by a minute or two. I wonder how that could possibly happen unless the causes of traffic really aren't as massively simplistic ("motorists in cars") as you try to claim? |
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:57:23 +0000, Mark Goodge
wrote: If the council didn't provide bus stops, the buses would just stop wherever was convenient for them. Which is exactly what they do on my local route. It's a pain, though, as they end up stopping far too frequently and are thus quite slow. What you do find, though, is that a number of locations have effectively become bus stops by convention. The next logical step is sticking up a flag and timetable board. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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David Hansen wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:37:40 +0000 someone who may be ®i©ardo wrote this:- Some cities have even deliberately filled in bus lay-bys Correct. just to make congestion worse, Incorrect. There are a number of reasons for exterminating bus laybys, from widening a former narrow part of the pavement, through allowing the driver to pull away as soon as everyone is off/on to making sure bus and bus boarder align in order to make life easier for everyone but particularly those with mobility problems. Any traffic calming effect is just a bonus. What is the "bonus" in holding up the traffic for miles around? Those that implement this sort of thing are too stupid to see that it affects buses as well as all other road users, so everybody loses. -- Moving things in still pictures! |
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Abo wrote:
David Hansen wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) someone who may be wrote this:- I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is this strictly speaking legal. Yes. They load up then wait for about a minute before moving off delaying the traffic behind. [snip] It would be better if they just kept on going. Tell that to passengers who miss the bus because it is running early. You cut the important point of 'If they get to their destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than hogging the road for no good reason', you nob. But traffic conditions from hour to hour, day to day and so on. There has to be some leeway built into the timetable to take account of this. -- Moving things in still pictures! |
Buses waiting time and blocking the road
David Hansen wrote:
On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:29:15 -0000 someone who may be "Depresion" 127.0.0.1 wrote this:- Bus companies don't have the right to build laybys wherever they need a stop and on many routes there wouldn't be any place to put them , or alternative locations to use Then they don't get to stop and traffic can flow again. Good solution. (Motor) traffic is stopped by many things. The greatest cause of delays to traffic is motorists in cars. There are so many of them that they clog roads in towns. After that delays are caused by things like road junctions, though these are really a manifestation of too many motorists. There are two ways to solve congestion. The first way to do this only works for a while, knock everything down and expand into the countryside. Where this has been tried it has only worked for a while before congestion rose again. Los Angeles is a good example. The second way works in the long term. Transfer some of the trips to walking, cycling and public transport. One of the ways to do this is to make buses more attractive. One of the ways of making buses more attractive is by filling in laybys and installing better stops and bus boarders in the space the layby used to take up. Not only does it work but it is better for everyone, despite the whining of a small but vocal minority. Funny old world isn't it. The refusal to expand the road networks results in severe traffic congestion for all forms of vehicular transport, but it's only ever the fault of the private motorist. Presumably, with the ever increasing overcrowding on the rail network, you're in favour of closing a few branch lines to assist people in deciding to find alternative forms of transport, in addition to pricing this form of transport beyond the means of many people? -- Moving things in still pictures! |
Buses waiting time and blocking the road
David Hansen wrote:
On 5 Dec 2008 14:21:32 GMT someone who may be Adrian wrote this:- (Motor) traffic is stopped by many things. The greatest cause of delays to traffic is motorists in cars. ITYM "traffic" I meant what I typed, motor traffic. Cyclists and their vehicles are less encumbered by motor vehicle constipation. The second way works in the long term. Transfer some of the trips to walking, cycling and public transport. One of the ways to do this is to make buses more attractive. One of the ways of making buses more attractive is by filling in laybys and installing better stops and bus boarders in the space the layby used to take up. Deliberately introducing delays to traffic benefits buses, how? Your point relies on a false premise, contained in the first five words, which I explained before. However, given that motorists cause most of the delays to motorised traffic (a term which, for the avoidance of doubt, includes buses) by the sheer volume of motorists there are things which can be done. One of these things is to encourage motorists out of their little metal prisons by making alternatives more attractive. Another thing is to relocate the congestion to places where it is easier for public transport vehicles to have priority (and thus encourage further modal shift). Bus lanes and virtual bus lanes are examples of this approach. One place where this has been done is the A90 from the Forth Road Bridge into Edinburgh. As I recall the results, as well as speeding up priority vehicles by something like 20 minutes it also speeded up motorists by a minute or two. And if you've no wish to go to Edinburgh? -- Moving things in still pictures! |
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