I had a look around Shoreditch last night and all of the ramps and
viaducts joining the original ELL to the Broad Street Viaduct are now
done, bar the very last arch over New Inn Yard. But even that has
rebar and most of its formers in place and is just waiting for its
concrete to be poured. But once it is, you'll be able to walk all the
way from New Cross Gate to Dalston Junction without having to leap any
gaps or crawl over scaffolding.

Looks like the projected late 2009 opening date (six months early)
might actually happen.

U

"Mr Thant" wrote in message
...
I had a look around Shoreditch last night and all of the ramps and
viaducts joining the original ELL to the Broad Street Viaduct are now
done, bar the very last arch over New Inn Yard. But even that has
rebar and most of its formers in place and is just waiting for its
concrete to be poured. But once it is, you'll be able to walk all the
way from New Cross Gate to Dalston Junction without having to leap any
gaps or crawl over scaffolding.

Looks like the projected late 2009 opening date (six months early)
might actually happen.


I wonder if the rolling stock delivery will turn out to be the obstacle
to early opening, rather than the infrastructure?

OTOH, could the infrastructure and rolling stock be ready, but awaiting the
NR timetable change needed for the Sydenham corridor stopping services,
presumably planned for May 2010?

Paul S

On Dec 30, 6:58*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
OTOH, could the infrastructure and rolling stock be ready, but awaiting the
NR timetable change needed for the Sydenham corridor stopping services,
presumably planned for May 2010?

Couldn't they just run to new cross and back in the meantime?

B2003

wrote in message
...
On Dec 30, 6:58 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
OTOH, could the infrastructure and rolling stock be ready, but awaiting
the
NR timetable change needed for the Sydenham corridor stopping services,
presumably planned for May 2010?

Couldn't they just run to new cross and back in the meantime?

Yes, or even NXG, as the down line runs into the former terminating
platform. I wonder if there'll be paths for a limited service to Crystal
Palace and/or West Croydon anyway, I expect it's the full 8 tph LO service
down that way that requires the major changes to Southern's existing
timetable.

Paul S

"Paul Scott" wrote ...
I wonder if the rolling stock delivery will turn out to be the obstacle
to early opening, rather than the infrastructure?
OTOH, could the infrastructure and rolling stock be ready, but awaiting
the NR timetable change needed for the Sydenham corridor stopping
services, presumably planned for May 2010?

Right first time - the stock is already subject to delay (citing 'problems
with suppliers'), and may - or may not - be further delayed to save a little
cash, especially if the pressure from the planned recipients of 313 units
diminishes with the credit crunch (dread term!).

Either way, a signficantly early start is unlikely, if only because new
building around the tracks will almost certainly NOT finish early, unless
property prices recover smartish.

While 'bits' may be ahead of schedule, that will be unlikely to influence
the project as a whole.
--

Andrew

Andrew Heenan wrote:
Either way, a signficantly early start is unlikely, if only because new
building around the tracks will almost certainly NOT finish early, unless
property prices recover smartish.

Eh? The ELLx isn't being funded by property development, so whether
developers of flats in the surrounding areas have cancelled them or
not is of complete irrelevance to when the railway can be opened. And
it's not a DLR Dagenham Dock type project that requires the new
property to be built in order to have any demand for the service,
either.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

"John B" wrote...
Andrew Heenan wrote:
Either way, a signficantly early start is unlikely, if only because new
building around the tracks will almost certainly NOT finish early, unless
property prices recover smartish.
Eh? The ELLx isn't being funded by property development, so whether
developers of flats in the surrounding areas have cancelled them or
not is of complete irrelevance to when the railway can be opened.

I am not referring to funding, but the physical fact of building work
scheduled to occur around the tracks up to a few weeks pre-re-opening.
--

Andrew

"If A is success in life, then A = x + y + z.
Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut." ~ Albert Einstein

On 6 Jan, 00:03, "Andrew Heenan" wrote:
I am not referring to funding, but the physical fact of building work
scheduled to occur around the tracks up to a few weeks pre-re-opening.

Do you know which building work exactly? The only thing I can think of
is the development above Dalston Junction, which I have indeed seen
referred to determining factor for the overall project schedule.
Shoreditch High Street might also qualify, but that has an enormous
concrete box specifically designed to allow building work to happen
while trains are running. I don't know if Dalston Junction's been
designed on the same principle.

U

On Jan 5, 1:41*am, "Andrew Heenan" wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrote ...

I wonder if the rolling stock delivery will turn out to be the obstacle
to early opening, rather than the infrastructure?
OTOH, could the infrastructure and rolling stock be ready, but awaiting
the NR timetable change needed for the Sydenham corridor stopping
services, presumably planned for May 2010?

Right first time - the stock is already subject to delay (citing 'problems
with suppliers'), and may - or may not - be further delayed to save a little
cash, especially if the pressure from the planned recipients of 313 units
diminishes with the credit crunch (dread term!).


Less demand for the class 313 units is more likely to lead to units
for an early reopening. The plan is for the first, 3 car dual voltage
378s to replace the 508 and 313s, these would be followed by the 4 car
DC only 378 units for the East London Line Extension and finally by
the addition of a fourth coach to the initial dual voltage units plus
some 4 car extra units. If 313s can be retained due to lower demands
from FCC, then the early, dual voltage 378s could be released to the
ELLX for any possible early start. I'd be surprised if there was any
planned delays to delivery, other than due to supplier problems. The
finance company would probably not be too happy to have the cash
around to pay for the units, but be told that London Overgrond don't
want them for 6 months.

The first 378 has been at Willesden since before Christmas, although
I've yet to see it out and about. It has, however, undergone testing
on both AC and DC, before arrival.

On Dec 30, 10:35*am, Mr Thant
wrote:
I had a look around Shoreditch last night and all of the ramps and
viaducts joining the original ELL to the Broad Street Viaduct are now
done, bar the very last arch over New Inn Yard. But even that has
rebar and most of its formers in place and is just waiting for its
concrete to be poured. But once it is, you'll be able to walk all the
way from New Cross Gate to Dalston Junction without having to leap any
gaps or crawl over scaffolding.

Looks like the projected late 2009 opening date (six months early)
might actually happen.

WONDERFUL NEWS!

Thank you for posting U.