Zen83237 wrote:
"MIG" wrote in message

Also bear in mind that nearly all the bus garages are in the suburbs.
It's not a question of central London being full of buses that can
stop short.

We haven't had snow this heavy for 18 years but did buses still run 18 years
ago. What is different now to then.
Were bus drivers more skilled then?

Kevin



As previously mentioned, depots are further away from their start point
making it more difficult to put out service before any accidents happen.

The 207 bendy depot at Stockley Park, for example,is about six miles
from its start point at Hayes bypass and a full fifteen from White City
(via the A40).
And the depot is not the most bus friendly location.

Secondly, the culture of "Hello? Claims Direct,a bus slid into your car
sir? Let me provide you with a lawyer" may have influenced managers
decisions to put members of the general public at risk.

Bob

TroyTempest wrote:
Zen83237 wrote:

As previously mentioned, depots are further away from their start
point making it more difficult to put out service before any
accidents happen.
The 207 bendy depot at Stockley Park, for example,is about six miles
from its start point at Hayes bypass and a full fifteen from White
City (via the A40).
And the depot is not the most bus friendly location.

Secondly, the culture of "Hello? Claims Direct,a bus slid into your
car sir? Let me provide you with a lawyer" may have influenced
managers decisions to put members of the general public at risk.


Channel 4 news tonight had a bendy driver with an uncontrollable back half
of his bus. Looked a good enough reason to me not to bother with them...

Paul S

"Paul Scott" wrote
Channel 4 news tonight had a bendy driver with an uncontrollable back half
of his bus. Looked a good enough reason to me not to bother with them...

But the regular pictures of double deckers being cut up by low bridges never
stopped you boarding them, I'll bet.

"Andrew Heenan" wrote in
:

"Paul Scott" wrote
Channel 4 news tonight had a bendy driver with an uncontrollable back
half of his bus. Looked a good enough reason to me not to bother with
them...

But the regular pictures of double deckers being cut up by low bridges
never stopped you boarding them, I'll bet.

False analogy, since a double decker having its top sliced off is
invariably the result of human error but an uncontrollable bendy on bad
roads is the result of climate error, for want of a better phrase.

"James Farrar" wrote in message
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"Andrew Heenan" wrote in
:

"Paul Scott" wrote
Channel 4 news tonight had a bendy driver with an uncontrollable back
half of his bus. Looked a good enough reason to me not to bother with
them...

But the regular pictures of double deckers being cut up by low bridges
never stopped you boarding them, I'll bet.

False analogy, since a double decker having its top sliced off is
invariably the result of human error but an uncontrollable bendy on bad
roads is the result of climate error, for want of a better phrase.

I don't know enough about bendy buses but there are drivers who cannot tow
caravans and those who can. I suspect that this is human error (although
incompetence might be a better word), particularly as bendy buses operate in
other countries with similar conditions.

James Farrar wrote:

False analogy, since a double decker having its top sliced off is
invariably the result of human error but an uncontrollable bendy on
bad roads is the result of climate error, for want of a better phrase.

I think a bendy on ice can slide into a position from which escape is not
possible without a chainsaw, even after the ice had melted.

"James Farrar" wrote in :
"Paul Scott" wrote
Channel 4 news tonight had a bendy driver with an uncontrollable back
half of his bus. Looked a good enough reason to me not to bother with
them...
But the regular pictures of double deckers being cut up by low bridges
never stopped you boarding them, I'll bet.
False analogy, since a double decker having its top sliced off is
invariably the result of human error but an uncontrollable bendy on bad
roads is the result of climate error, for want of a better phrase.

Not really, except in very rare cases. I don't watch Ch4, but I'm pretty
confident that London's weather yesterday was not severe enough to remove
driver responsibility (assuming the event was as described, and not, uh,
exaggerated). Don't forget that no Bendy was allowed out until the roads
were pretty clear; Bendies in Eastern Europe work fine on three inches of
packed ice throughout the winter without blaming accidents (should there be
any) on global warming.
--

Andrew
http://www.realnurse.net/

On Feb 3, 12:19*pm, "Andrew Heenan" wrote:
Not really, except in very rare cases. I don't watch Ch4, but I'm pretty
confident that London's weather yesterday was not severe enough to remove
driver responsibility (assuming the event was as described, and not, uh,
exaggerated). Don't forget that no Bendy was allowed out until the roads
were pretty clear; Bendies in Eastern Europe work fine on three inches of
packed ice throughout the winter without blaming accidents (should there be
any) on global warming.

Don't they run with snow chains, tho'?

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

"John B" wrote ...
On Feb 3, 12:19 pm, "Andrew Heenan" wrote:
Bendies in Eastern Europe work fine on three inches of
packed ice throughout the winter without blaming accidents (should there
be
any) on global warming.

Don't they run with snow chains, tho'?

Not routinely, no.
On the BBC news yesterday, I saw a Russian bus tyre with steel studs, but
I'm pretty sure (tho not 100%) that even they are not daily wear on winter
buses - though I'd guess they'd be essential in hilly country!

But it's all by-the-by - the bus routes in London were very clear by
lunchtime yesteday; a bit of wet, some mild sleety snow and temperatures
about -1 to +1 degrees; in the normal stride of any bus.

--

Andrew

"If A is success in life, then A = x + y + z.
Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut." ~ Albert Einstein

"Andrew Heenan" wrote in message
...
"Paul Scott" wrote
Channel 4 news tonight had a bendy driver with an uncontrollable back
half of his bus. Looked a good enough reason to me not to bother with
them...

But the regular pictures of double deckers being cut up by low bridges
never stopped you boarding them, I'll bet.

No, as a reason for TfL not to use them yesterday... I don't have a view on
the 'other' bendy debate.

Paul S