Espen Koht wrote:

In article ,
(Alan Braggins) wrote:

In article , Espen Koht
wrote:
A Honda based ambulance matching the general description today passed
me
earlier today and I noted that the primary markings really are the
yellow and green on the right and left sides. The rear and front retain
mostly the underlying silver/grey colour of the vehicle, and the
low-profile light-bar could easily be confused with some arbitrary
roof-mount unless lit.

Basically, more like this:
http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/P1150231.jpg without the
yellow bonnet.

An earlier post
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/cam...872659b40f31de
(which has X-No-Archive so will expire soon) linked to
http://www.eastanglianambulance.com/...EAAMB_240702.J
PG/image_view_fullscreen
"Which differs only in the registration number."

That's a good match (I hadn't paid much attention until I saw the
potential vehicle myself). From standing 1m in front of this I would be
more willing to assume some benefit of doubt

Exactly. For a brief moment, that vehicle would have looked like the next in a sequence of bullying Chelsea tractor drivers trying to elbow their way on to the grass to save themselves a couple of quid parking fee and 5 minutes walking time at the expense of the vast majority of law-abiding attendees.

deep breath

IF the lights weren't running at the time

Even if they were. Consider which direction Colin would have been facing at just after 2 o'clock on that blazing summer's afternoon. Into sun?

Also consider that the ambulance driver had said that he'd turned off his siren. Might he have inadvertantly turned the lights off as well?

(or you were Leonardo da Vinci). Anything post the
initial encounter (which the driver does appear to describe as a minor
altercation in his initial complaint) shows a very poor show of
judgement which (in all honesty was no longer an emergency situation)
clearly aggravated the situation, which doesn't entirely surprise me
given Colin's general pig-headedness when he think he is right even when
proven wrong.

People with firm convictions do often stick with them when they shouldn't. I guess that's why they're called, y'know... 'firm'. g

But, do we want vacillators as our officials? Swaying with the wind? Bowing to whichever pressure group is the flavour of the month?

However, apart from a well warranted reprimand, as an
elected official I feel the final verdict should be left to the voters
in this case, rather than some potentially politicised process.

A referendum? Gosh, that would be interesting!

--
-blj-

"Brian L Johnson" wrote in message
newsp.uow9x51m0v1caa@thedell...

That's a good match (I hadn't paid much attention until I saw the
potential vehicle myself). From standing 1m in front of this I would be
more willing to assume some benefit of doubt

Exactly. For a brief moment, that vehicle would have looked like the next
in a sequence of bullying Chelsea tractor drivers trying to elbow their
way on to the grass to save themselves a couple of quid parking fee and 5
minutes walking time at the expense of the vast majority of law-abiding
attendees.



All very well but the incident happened at about 8.00pm and to be facing the
traffic entering Jesus Green he would have had is back to the sun

Ian

Ian Bidwell wrote:
"Brian L Johnson" wrote in message
newsp.uow9x51m0v1caa@thedell...

That's a good match (I hadn't paid much attention until I saw the
potential vehicle myself). From standing 1m in front of this I would be
more willing to assume some benefit of doubt
Exactly. For a brief moment, that vehicle would have looked like the next
in a sequence of bullying Chelsea tractor drivers trying to elbow their
way on to the grass to save themselves a couple of quid parking fee and 5
minutes walking time at the expense of the vast majority of law-abiding
attendees.



All very well but the incident happened at about 8.00pm and to be facing the
traffic entering Jesus Green he would have had is back to the sun


Not to mention his head in cloud cuckoo land.

Ian

In article op.uow9x51m0v1caa@thedell,
"Brian L Johnson" wrote:

Even if they were. Consider which direction Colin would have been facing at
just after 2 o'clock on that blazing summer's afternoon. Into sun?

I think it has been established the even took place much later in the
day, contrary to the drivers initial report, but either way I don't
think the sun would make a meaningful difference.

Also consider that the ambulance driver had said that he'd turned off his
siren. Might he have inadvertantly turned the lights off as well?

I guess it is possible, but it is also highly speculative.

(or you were Leonardo da Vinci). Anything post the
initial encounter (which the driver does appear to describe as a minor
altercation in his initial complaint) shows a very poor show of
judgement which (in all honesty was no longer an emergency situation)
clearly aggravated the situation, which doesn't entirely surprise me
given Colin's general pig-headedness when he think he is right even when
proven wrong.

People with firm convictions do often stick with them when they shouldn't. I
guess that's why they're called, y'know... 'firm'. g

There seems to have been a belief in the former US administration that
'firm' trumps 'wrong'; it doesn't.


A referendum? Gosh, that would be interesting!

What I had in mind was the normal process of elections.

Espen Koht wrote:

In article op.uow9x51m0v1caa@thedell,
"Brian L Johnson" wrote:

Even if they were. Consider which direction Colin would have been
facing at
just after 2 o'clock on that blazing summer's afternoon. Into sun?

I think it has been established the even took place much later in the
day, contrary to the drivers initial report, but either way I don't
think the sun would make a meaningful difference.

Ah, yes. My confusion.

If anything, of course, it might have meant that the sun was reflecting
off the windscreen into Colin's eyes.

Also consider that the ambulance driver had said that he'd turned off
his siren. Might he have inadvertantly turned the lights off as well?

I guess it is possible, but it is also highly speculative.

Phil Lee seems to know the layout of the converted Honda CRV quite well
and he rules out any chance of turning the lights off by accident.

(or you were Leonardo da Vinci). Anything post the
initial encounter (which the driver does appear to describe as a minor
altercation in his initial complaint) shows a very poor show of
judgement which (in all honesty was no longer an emergency situation)
clearly aggravated the situation, which doesn't entirely surprise me
given Colin's general pig-headedness when he think he is right even
when proven wrong.

People with firm convictions do often stick with them when they
shouldn't. I guess that's why they're called, y'know... 'firm'. g

There seems to have been a belief in the former US administration that
'firm' trumps 'wrong'; it doesn't.

But you can be 'firm' and 'wrong' or 'firm' and 'right': they're not
mutually exclusive attributes.

--
-blj-

In article op.uoxgyh0w0v1caa@dell,
"Brian L Johnson" wrote:

People with firm convictions do often stick with them when they
shouldn't. I guess that's why they're called, y'know... 'firm'. g

There seems to have been a belief in the former US administration that
'firm' trumps 'wrong'; it doesn't.

But you can be 'firm' and 'wrong' or 'firm' and 'right': they're not
mutually exclusive attributes.

There a many possible permutations and nuances, but sticking to your
guns on something which has been proven wrong to merely "prove that you
are firm" is foolish, if not delusional.

Brian L Johnson wrote:
Espen Koht wrote:

In article ,
(Alan Braggins) wrote:

In article , Espen Koht
wrote:
A Honda based ambulance matching the general description today
passed me
earlier today and I noted that the primary markings really are the
yellow and green on the right and left sides. The rear and front retain
mostly the underlying silver/grey colour of the vehicle, and the
low-profile light-bar could easily be confused with some arbitrary
roof-mount unless lit.

Basically, more like this:
http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/P1150231.jpg without the
yellow bonnet.

An earlier post
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/cam...872659b40f31de
(which has X-No-Archive so will expire soon) linked to
http://www.eastanglianambulance.com/...EAAMB_240702.J

PG/image_view_fullscreen
"Which differs only in the registration number."

That's a good match (I hadn't paid much attention until I saw the
potential vehicle myself). From standing 1m in front of this I would be
more willing to assume some benefit of doubt

Exactly. For a brief moment, that vehicle would have looked like the
next in a sequence of bullying Chelsea tractor drivers trying to elbow
their way on to the grass to save themselves a couple of quid parking
fee and 5 minutes walking time at the expense of the vast majority of
law-abiding attendees.


For a brief moment.

The initial reaction for someone as stupid and officious as Colin
appears, is possible.

The subsequent events are inexcusable.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

The initial reaction for someone as stupid and officious as Colin appears,
is possible.

The subsequent events are inexcusable.

Bearing in mind how often these things are misreported in the interests of
some publication sensationalising to sell more tree parts, it might be wise
to see what actually gets revealed at the enquiry.

--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."

Brian Watson wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

The initial reaction for someone as stupid and officious as Colin appears,
is possible.

The subsequent events are inexcusable.

Bearing in mind how often these things are misreported in the interests of
some publication sensationalising to sell more tree parts, it might be wise
to see what actually gets revealed at the enquiry.


The text of the evidence is *all* in the PDF that Richard Kettlewell
provided a link to.

You can be your own judge and jury.

What any official enquiry 'finds' will course be a balance between
political expediencies, not in any sense a fair judgement of guilt.

If the Hutton enquiry is anything to go by, as little of that evidence
will be revealed is possible.