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In message , John Rowland
writes http://preview.tinyurl.com/c8zpw5 What a bloody idiot. That may indeed be the case. However, I think we all know that - whenever we see a media report on a subject we know something about - it usually contains several inaccuracies or doesn't give the whole story. That might (and I stress *might*) be the case here. For the record: (a) I've met plenty of councillors who have ranged from slightly ill-informed to complete *******. (b) I've met Colin R once, know nothing about him and emphatically *not* making a judgement about him in point (a) above! :-) -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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"John Rowland" wrote in message
... What a bloody idiot. I think my comment would be a bit stronger than that! Ian |
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, James Farrar wrote:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/c8zpw5 He also seems to have nicked a potion of youth from the ambulance while he was at it! tom -- In other news, has anyone here read Blindness? Does it get better after the 30 page mark, is does the whole thing read like a sentimental fairy tale for particularly slow children? -- Abigail |
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Farrar writes http://preview.tinyurl.com/c8zpw5 I heard the story on Radio 4 this morning, but since it doesn't concern transport in London I saw no reason to raise the matter here. -- Paul Terry |
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Ian Jelf gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying: What a bloody idiot. That may indeed be the case. However, I think we all know that - whenever we see a media report on a subject we know something about - it usually contains several inaccuracies or doesn't give the whole story. That might (and I stress *might*) be the case here. That was certainly my first thought, but I completely and utterly fail to comprehend any circumstances where blocking an ambulance service fast response vehicle, then locking gates on them, because they "shouldn't be driving on the grass" is even remotely acceptable. |
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On Feb 4, 8:21*pm, Adrian wrote:
Ian Jelf gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: What a bloody idiot. That may indeed be the case. However, I think we all know that - whenever we see a media report on a subject we know something about - it usually contains several inaccuracies or doesn't give the whole story. * That might (and I stress *might*) be the case here. That was certainly my first thought, but I completely and utterly fail to comprehend any circumstances where blocking an ambulance service fast response vehicle, then locking gates on them, because they "shouldn't be driving on the grass" is even remotely acceptable. The story doesn't do itself much credit. It repeatedly refers to the car as an "ambulance", despite it being one of these http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dsc10899.jpg. The URL is worse: it says "Councillor-blocked-ambulance-carrying- injured-man-as-it-broke-driving-by-laws.html". There's no indication in the story that the car was carrying an injured person, nor that it would be allowed to. It does say that the councillor claimed that the lights were not flashing. So then the difficult thing to explain is how and why they didn't manage to convey the fact that they were attending an "emergency", although it seems to have been no more than a bit of first aid. Several buckets of salt I think. |
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"Ian Jelf" wrote in message ... In message , John Rowland writes http://preview.tinyurl.com/c8zpw5 What a bloody idiot. That may indeed be the case. However, I think we all know that - whenever we see a media report on a subject we know something about - it usually contains several inaccuracies or doesn't give the whole story. That might (and I stress *might*) be the case here. For the record: (a) I've met plenty of councillors who have ranged from slightly ill-informed to complete *******. (b) I've met Colin R once, know nothing about him and emphatically *not* making a judgement about him in point (a) above! :-) Anyone who is interested can read the full report at http://www.cambridge.gov.uk/public/c...11stds/3_0.pdf (warning - 23MB pdf file) Peter Smyth |
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MIG gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying: That was certainly my first thought, but I completely and utterly fail to comprehend any circumstances where blocking an ambulance service fast response vehicle, then locking gates on them, because they "shouldn't be driving on the grass" is even remotely acceptable. The story doesn't do itself much credit. It repeatedly refers to the car as an "ambulance", despite it being one of these http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dsc10899.jpg. Yup, an ambulance service fast response vehicle, staffed by a paramedic. The vehicle they send so as to get expert medical help to an incident faster than a full-fat ambulance may be able to get there. |
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On Feb 4, 9:05*pm, Adrian wrote:
MIG gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: That was certainly my first thought, but I completely and utterly fail to comprehend any circumstances where blocking an ambulance service fast response vehicle, then locking gates on them, because they "shouldn't be driving on the grass" is even remotely acceptable. The story doesn't do itself much credit. *It repeatedly refers to the car as an "ambulance", despite it being one of these http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dsc10899.jpg. Yup, an ambulance service fast response vehicle, staffed by a paramedic. The vehicle they send so as to get expert medical help to an incident faster than a full-fat ambulance may be able to get there. Although probably not in the Yorkshire colours (may have been less garish). In London I see a lot of paramedic motorbikes these days, which makes a lot of sense. |
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MIG gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying: Yup, an ambulance service fast response vehicle, staffed by a paramedic. The vehicle they send so as to get expert medical help to an incident faster than a full-fat ambulance may be able to get there. Although probably not in the Yorkshire colours (may have been less garish). Unlikely. Green battenburg's fairly standard for ambulance service nationally. |
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In message , at 21:05:40 on Wed, 4
Feb 2009, Adrian remarked: Yup, an ambulance service fast response vehicle, staffed by a paramedic. The vehicle they send so as to get expert medical help to an incident faster than a full-fat ambulance may be able to get there. What I don't really understand is why they had to send an ambulance at all. It was a busy annual city-centre carnival event. Why weren't there ambulance staff (St Johns if not NHS) on site already? -- Roland Perry |
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Adrian wrote:
MIG gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: Yup, an ambulance service fast response vehicle, staffed by a paramedic. The vehicle they send so as to get expert medical help to an incident faster than a full-fat ambulance may be able to get there. Although probably not in the Yorkshire colours (may have been less garish). Unlikely. Green battenburg's fairly standard for ambulance service nationally. Paragraph 4.10 in the report Mr Smyth posted says: The 4 x 4 vehicle was marked clearly as a paramedic vehicle in bold red and green colouring And also that it was a Honda CRV, like the one in MIG's picture. Red and green sounds horrible. tom -- In other news, has anyone here read Blindness? Does it get better after the 30 page mark, is does the whole thing read like a sentimental fairy tale for particularly slow children? -- Abigail |
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, MIG wrote:
On Feb 4, 9:05*pm, Adrian wrote: MIG gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: That was certainly my first thought, but I completely and utterly fail to comprehend any circumstances where blocking an ambulance service fast response vehicle, then locking gates on them, because they "shouldn't be driving on the grass" is even remotely acceptable. The story doesn't do itself much credit. *It repeatedly refers to the car as an "ambulance", despite it being one of these http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dsc10899.jpg. Yup, an ambulance service fast response vehicle, staffed by a paramedic. The vehicle they send so as to get expert medical help to an incident faster than a full-fat ambulance may be able to get there. Although probably not in the Yorkshire colours (may have been less garish). In London I see a lot of paramedic motorbikes these days, which makes a lot of sense. There's also a bicycle paramedic, with huge panniers full of paramedicine etc. He's been along with the Critical Mass rides on occasion (possibly always, but i haven't always spotted him). I don't know what he does the rest of the time. Thinking about it, there was also a cycling paramedic in Oxford. I was around when a guy fell out of a tree and donked his head on a concrete wharf, and he showed up to treat him. It was he http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.7...=17&iwloc=addr Where an ambulance couldn't have reached (due to bollards) and even a motorbike would have had trouble. Wasn't the best picnic i've been to. tom -- In other news, has anyone here read Blindness? Does it get better after the 30 page mark, is does the whole thing read like a sentimental fairy tale for particularly slow children? -- Abigail |
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On Feb 4, 10:47*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:05:40 on Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Adrian remarked: Yup, an ambulance service fast response vehicle, staffed by a paramedic. The vehicle they send so as to get expert medical help to an incident faster than a full-fat ambulance may be able to get there. What I don't really understand is why they had to send an ambulance at all. It was a busy annual city-centre carnival event. Why weren't there ambulance staff (St Johns if not NHS) on site already? Basically, the article doesn't make sense and has sneaky hints that it doesn't back up (particularly the URL). I'm not so much interested in speculating, but the article is clearly a dud and not to be trusted. I know that's true of everything in the papers, but this one seems to be particularly bad. |
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On 5 Feb, 00:03, wrote: In article i (Tom Anderson) wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, James Farrar wrote: http://preview.tinyurl.com/c8zpw5 He also seems to have nicked a potion of youth from the ambulance while he was at it! It's a nine year old photo! I could say more but *I'm* not going to abuse a quasi-judicial process by conducting a trial by media before the hearing which is on Wednesday *next* week. Fair enough. |
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Tom Anderson gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying: Although probably not in the Yorkshire colours (may have been less garish). Unlikely. Green battenburg's fairly standard for ambulance service nationally. Paragraph 4.10 in the report Mr Smyth posted says: The 4 x 4 vehicle was marked clearly as a paramedic vehicle in bold red and green colouring And also that it was a Honda CRV, like the one in MIG's picture. Red and green sounds horrible. Indeed. One Cambridgeshire/East-of-England ambulance service Honda CRV fast response vehicle... http://www.eastanglianambulance.com/...cture-library/ KDW_9_EAAMB_240702.JPG |
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Adrian wrote:
Tom Anderson gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: Although probably not in the Yorkshire colours (may have been less garish). Unlikely. Green battenburg's fairly standard for ambulance service nationally. Paragraph 4.10 in the report Mr Smyth posted says: The 4 x 4 vehicle was marked clearly as a paramedic vehicle in bold red and green colouring And also that it was a Honda CRV, like the one in MIG's picture. Red and green sounds horrible. Indeed. One Cambridgeshire/East-of-England ambulance service Honda CRV fast response vehicle... http://www.eastanglianambulance.com/...AMB_240702.JPG Huh. It does rather look like that's an error in the report, then. tom -- He's taking towel fandom to a whole other bad level. -- applez, of coalescent |
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13:21:35 on Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Tom Anderson remarked: The 4 x 4 vehicle was marked clearly as a paramedic vehicle in bold red and green colouring Huh. It does rather look like that's an error in the report, then. Red and yellow is fi http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/fire/dscd0609.jpg (Or sometimes ambulances sigh http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dsc02302.jpg ) Yellow and green is paramedics: http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/p1150013.jpg As is white and green: http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/p1140214.jpg Haven't found any red and green yet. Closest is Orange and green (animal ambulance) http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dscd0552.jpg or maybe just red (yes there are solid red ambulances too) http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dsc10814.jpg -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:21:35 on Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Tom Anderson remarked: The 4 x 4 vehicle was marked clearly as a paramedic vehicle in bold red and green colouring Huh. It does rather look like that's an error in the report, then. Red and yellow is fi http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/fire/dscd0609.jpg (Or sometimes ambulances sigh http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dsc02302.jpg ) Yellow and green is paramedics: http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/p1150013.jpg As is white and green: http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/p1140214.jpg Haven't found any red and green yet. Closest is Orange and green (animal ambulance) http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dscd0552.jpg or maybe just red (yes there are solid red ambulances too) http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dsc10814.jpg Red/green colour-blindness? Should Colin have a test? This sounds increasingly like a plausible Rumpole-style defence. There was an episode about a defendant who was belatedly found to be illiterate and hence unable to have read and signed his police confession. |
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magwitch wrote:
Red/green colour-blindness? Should Colin have a test? This sounds increasingly like a plausible Rumpole-style defence. Not really, unless he's paramedic-deaf as well. The paramedic told him he was a paramedic on a call-out. A roof-rack with coloured lights, and the words "Ambulance" liberally scattered around the vehicle, wouldn't really support that defence either. Jon -- SPAM BLOCK IN USE! To reply in email, replace 'deadspam' with 'green-lines'. |
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In message , at 14:48:40 on
Thu, 5 Feb 2009, magwitch remarked: Red/green colour-blindness? It's the newspapers that are claiming the paramedic's car was red and green. -- Roland Perry |
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On Feb 5, 2:48*pm, magwitch wrote:
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:21:35 on Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Tom Anderson remarked: * The 4 x 4 vehicle was marked clearly as a paramedic vehicle in bold * red and green colouring Huh. It does rather look like that's an error in the report, then. Red and yellow is fi http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/fire/dscd0609.jpg (Or sometimes ambulances sigh * *http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dsc02302.jpg) Yellow and green is paramedics: http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/p1150013.jpg As is white and green: http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/p1140214.jpg Haven't found any red and green yet. Closest is Orange and green (animal ambulance) http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dscd0552.jpg or maybe just red (yes there are solid red ambulances too) http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dsc10814.jpg Red/green colour-blindness? Should Colin have a test? This sounds increasingly like a plausible Rumpole-style defence. There was an episode about a defendant who was belatedly found to be illiterate and hence unable to have read and signed his police confession..- "I was approaching the red traffic light, so the Doppler effect made it appear green." I have a feeling that one may actually have been tried. |
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In article , magwitch wrote:
Red/green colour-blindness? I imagine the paramedic driver knows what colour his vehicle is even if he is colour blind. Elsewhere in the report he says that it is green and yellow down the side, red and yellow check to the rear end, and that it displays the word ambulance (in unspecified colours). Should Colin have a test? Why should Colin have a test because someone else wrote a misleading description of the vehicle? The description of the vehicle as marked "in bold red and green colouring" is in the section headed "Mr Austine's evidence", not the section headed "Councillor Rosenstiel's evidence", and it appears to be the investigator's summary of the paramedic's more accurate description. |
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In message , at 17:44:07 on
Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Alan Braggins remarked: Elsewhere in the report he says that it is green and yellow down the side, red and yellow check to the rear end, and that it displays the word ambulance (in unspecified colours). http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dcp01118.jpg The description of the vehicle as marked "in bold red and green colouring" I suppose you could interpret the vehicle pictured above as "White and Yellow" with "Red and Green markings", but it wouldn't be my most intuitive way of expressing it. -- Roland Perry |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:09:00 -0000, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 17:44:07 on Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Alan Braggins remarked: Elsewhere in the report he says that it is green and yellow down the side, red and yellow check to the rear end, and that it displays the word ambulance (in unspecified colours). http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dcp01118.jpg The description of the vehicle as marked "in bold red and green colouring" I suppose you could interpret the vehicle pictured above as "White and Yellow" with "Red and Green markings", but it wouldn't be my most intuitive way of expressing it. Yup, most of us would refer to it as an ambulance:-) |
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Alan Braggins wrote:
In article , magwitch wrote: Red/green colour-blindness? I imagine the paramedic driver knows what colour his vehicle is even if he is colour blind. Elsewhere in the report he says that it is green and yellow down the side, red and yellow check to the rear end, and that it displays the word ambulance (in unspecified colours). Should Colin have a test? Why should Colin have a test because someone else wrote a misleading description of the vehicle? The description of the vehicle as marked "in bold red and green colouring" is in the section headed "Mr Austine's evidence", not the section headed "Councillor Rosenstiel's evidence", and it appears to be the investigator's summary of the paramedic's more accurate description. The plot thickens. I must say I rather think the 'Ambulance' sign on the vehicle is most compelling evidence... in fact on reflection, the colour combination perhaps might be a red herring after all. |
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Jon Green wrote:
magwitch wrote: Red/green colour-blindness? Should Colin have a test? This sounds increasingly like a plausible Rumpole-style defence. Not really, unless he's paramedic-deaf as well. The paramedic told him he was a paramedic on a call-out. A roof-rack with coloured lights, and the words "Ambulance" liberally scattered around the vehicle, wouldn't really support that defence either. Jon Yeah but if he can't read... see what I'm getting (doggedly) at? Perhaps it's some sort of 'data-exhaustion' syndrome, with which City councillors seem to be increasingly afflicted, poor loves. |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:28:32 +0000, magwitch wrote:
The description of the vehicle as marked "in bold red and green colouring" is in the section headed "Mr Austine's evidence", not the section headed "Councillor Rosenstiel's evidence", and it appears to be the investigator's summary of the paramedic's more accurate description. The plot thickens. I must say I rather think the 'Ambulance' sign on the vehicle is most compelling evidence... in fact on reflection, the colour combination perhaps might be a red herring after all. Right... I've not read the report, but I did look at the photo of the vehicle - and it wasn't obvious that there *was* an ambulance sign on the bonnet or sides. There appeared to be something stuck in the rear passenger windows, but that could be missed if point of contact was initally from the front (and then presumably front-quarter to have a word with the driver). If any ambulance sign was present up by the lights then it seems reasonable that if the lights were missed then so was this sign. |
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:28:34 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote: or maybe just red (yes there are solid red ambulances too) http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dsc10814.jpg First responders often use their own car, or a pool car, with magnetic signs applied to the side and the front. So you can have any colour ambulance you like! Here's a blue one: http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/...l/article.html Ob - not quite rail blue. Or Cambus blue. Richard. |
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In article op.uov5p4nehaghkf@lucy, Duncan Wood wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:09:00 -0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 17:44:07 on Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Alan Braggins remarked: Elsewhere in the report he says that it is green and yellow down the side, red and yellow check to the rear end, and that it displays the word ambulance (in unspecified colours). http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dcp01118.jpg The description of the vehicle as marked "in bold red and green colouring" I suppose you could interpret the vehicle pictured above as "White and Yellow" with "Red and Green markings", but it wouldn't be my most intuitive way of expressing it. Yup, most of us would refer to it as an ambulance:-) So does the report of course. The word "ambulance" being in bold red on the back and bold green on the front might be what was being referred to in that bit of the description. (Assuming the back of the CR-V involved has similar coloured lettering to The A-class in Roland's photo. Possibly "red and yellow check" actually refers to a similar pattern to the photo too. Not that it's relevent.) |
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13:33:51 on Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Jules remarked: Right... I've not read the report, but I did look at the photo of the vehicle - and it wasn't obvious that there *was* an ambulance sign on the bonnet or sides. There's also a certain degree of function creep in the use of the word "Ambulance". Is this a Fire Engine: http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/fire/dcp00999.jpg -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 19:43:39 on
Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Richard remarked: First responders often use their own car, or a pool car, with magnetic signs applied to the side and the front. So you can have any colour ambulance you like! I think that's a "first response vehicle", not an Ambulance. -- Roland Perry |
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On Feb 5, 7:56*pm, (Alan Braggins) wrote:
In article op.uov5p4nehaghkf@lucy, Duncan Wood wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:09:00 -0000, Roland Perry * wrote: In message , at 17:44:07 on * Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Alan Braggins remarked: Elsewhere in the report he says that it is green and yellow down the side, red and yellow check to the rear end, and that it displays the word ambulance (in unspecified colours). http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dcp01118.jpg The description of the vehicle as marked "in bold red and green * colouring" I suppose you could interpret the vehicle pictured above as "White and * Yellow" with "Red and Green markings", but it wouldn't be my most * intuitive way of expressing it. Yup, most of us would refer to it as an ambulance:-) So does the report of course. *The word "ambulance" being in bold red on the back and bold green on the front might be what was being referred to in that bit of the description. (Assuming the back of the CR-V involved has similar coloured lettering to The A-class in Roland's photo. Possibly "red and yellow check" actually refers to a similar pattern to the photo too. Not that it's relevent.)- I would take "ambulance" to mean a vehicle which carries sick or injured people. The word "ambulance" on this vehicle more likely relates to the fact that it belongs to the ambulance service, just as it would if it was written on a bicycle or a building. (And such buildings or bicycles would need to be treated with appropriate respect, and not obstructed.) This was evidently an ambulance service vehicle carrying a paramedic, despite the URL implying that it was carrying an injured person and the article referring to it as an ambulance. |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:56:12 -0000, Alan Braggins
wrote: In article op.uov5p4nehaghkf@lucy, Duncan Wood wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:09:00 -0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 17:44:07 on Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Alan Braggins remarked: Elsewhere in the report he says that it is green and yellow down the side, red and yellow check to the rear end, and that it displays the word ambulance (in unspecified colours). http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/dcp01118.jpg The description of the vehicle as marked "in bold red and green colouring" I suppose you could interpret the vehicle pictured above as "White and Yellow" with "Red and Green markings", but it wouldn't be my most intuitive way of expressing it. Yup, most of us would refer to it as an ambulance:-) So does the report of course. The word "ambulance" being in bold red on the back and bold green on the front might be what was being referred to in that bit of the description. (Assuming the back of the CR-V involved has similar coloured lettering to The A-class in Roland's photo. Possibly "red and yellow check" actually refers to a similar pattern to the photo too. Not that it's relevent.) Well it's sitting in Milton during the rush hour & seems to attend the middle of town fairly often & most of the large scale events. |
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Duncan Wood wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:56:12 -0000, Alan Braggins wrote: Well it's sitting in Milton during the rush hour & seems to attend the middle of town fairly often & most of the large scale events. Are you one of those ambulance chasers then? |
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:48:40 on Thu, 5 Feb 2009, magwitch remarked: Red/green colour-blindness? It's the newspapers that are claiming the paramedic's car was red and green. It was the official council investigating commissar's report that did. Possibly the papers did too, but i haven't looked at those. tom -- GOLDIE LOOKIN' CHAIN [...] will ultimately make all other forms of music both redundant and unnecessary -- NTK |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:46:19 -0000, magwitch wrote:
Duncan Wood wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:56:12 -0000, Alan Braggins wrote: Well it's sitting in Milton during the rush hour & seems to attend the middle of town fairly often & most of the large scale events. Are you one of those ambulance chasers then? Not according to my tax return :-) |
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