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How realistic is 'September 09' as a date for NR PAYG?
This date is still being bandied around, even by Southeastern ticket
staff. Yet as far as I can see only Southern stand any chance of being ready in time (neoprene-cloaked Oyster readers at all stations now). Southeastern have so far done nothing towards installing equipment, and I've yet to hear of anything binding being signed between the Southern TOCs and TfL. Have I missed something, or is there no chance of Southeastern and SWT being ready for PAYG before the end of the year? -- Current nearest station: Victoria (Eastern) |
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How realistic is 'September 09' as a date for NR PAYG?
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ose.com, Rupert Candy writes Have I missed something, or is there no chance of Southeastern and SWT being ready for PAYG before the end of the year? SWT are currently "hoping for" early 2010: http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...e/LC/Fares.htm (questions 118 and 141) -- Paul Terry |
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How realistic is 'September 09' as a date for NR PAYG?
Rupert Candy wrote:
This date is still being bandied around, even by Southeastern ticket staff. Yet as far as I can see only Southern stand any chance of being ready in time (neoprene-cloaked Oyster readers at all stations now). Southeastern have so far done nothing towards installing equipment, and I've yet to hear of anything binding being signed between the Southern TOCs and TfL. Have I missed something, or is there no chance of Southeastern and SWT being ready for PAYG before the end of the year? Installation of validators on NXEA and FCC (Great Northern route) appears to be finished, and the ones on the Down side (Platform 2) at Silver Street have power, though are currently "closed". Cheers, Barry |
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How realistic is 'September 09' as a date for NR PAYG?
"Rupert Candy" wrote in message
... This date is still being bandied around, even by Southeastern ticket staff. Yet as far as I can see only Southern stand any chance of being ready in time (neoprene-cloaked Oyster readers at all stations now). Southeastern have so far done nothing towards installing equipment, and I've yet to hear of anything binding being signed between the Southern TOCs and TfL. Have I missed something, or is there no chance of Southeastern and SWT being ready for PAYG before the end of the year? -- Current nearest station: Victoria (Eastern) One barrier at Bromley South has suddenly acquired a bit of sticky paper saying "Oyster Cards Only", although of course it may just be a bit broken! MaxB |
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How realistic is 'September 09' as a date for NR PAYG?
"Batman55" wrote:
"Rupert Candy" wrote in message ... This date is still being bandied around, even by Southeastern ticket staff. Yet as far as I can see only Southern stand any chance of being ready in time (neoprene-cloaked Oyster readers at all stations now). Southeastern have so far done nothing towards installing equipment, and I've yet to hear of anything binding being signed between the Southern TOCs and TfL. Have I missed something, or is there no chance of Southeastern and SWT being ready for PAYG before the end of the year? -- Current nearest station: Victoria (Eastern) One barrier at Bromley South has suddenly acquired a bit of sticky paper saying "Oyster Cards Only", although of course it may just be a bit broken! MaxB ....though of course all barriers in the zones have had 'dumb' Oyster readers from the start, to deal with Oyster seasons. This just means the majority of passengers at BMS won't be able to use that barrier! -- Current nearest station: Pimlico |
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How realistic is 'September 09' as a date for NR PAYG?
Rupert Candy wrote: This date is still being bandied around, even by Southeastern ticket staff. Yet as far as I can see only Southern stand any chance of being ready in time (neoprene-cloaked Oyster readers at all stations now). Southeastern have so far done nothing towards installing equipment, and I've yet to hear of anything binding being signed between the Southern TOCs and TfL. Have I missed something, or is there no chance of Southeastern and SWT being ready for PAYG before the end of the year? Whenever it starts, it'll be weird to have PAYG finally becoming at least vaguely useful, rather than just an awkward and inconvenient replacement for Savers bus tickets like it is at present. But somehow I can't imagine it ever happening. I mean, what are the cahnces of pepole running and working in public transport ever doing something vaguely useful for their customers...? |
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How realistic is 'September 09' as a date for NR PAYG?
solar penguin wrote:
Whenever it starts, it'll be weird to have PAYG finally becoming at least vaguely useful, rather than just an awkward and inconvenient replacement for Savers bus tickets like it is at present. But somehow I can't imagine it ever happening. I mean, what are the cahnces of pepole running and working in public transport ever doing something vaguely useful for their customers...? Meanwhile, in the real world, PAYG is extremely useful and has made travelling by tube and bus much more pleasant*. Face it, if people *didn't* find it useful and convenient we wouldn't be clamouring for it to be extended to National Rail, would we? It's not particularly hard to pretend that people running public transport do nothing useful when you ignore the useful things they do. Tom * Example: I'm travelling from Ealing Broadway to Hammersmith. I get a phone call from some friends in a pub in Piccadilly Circus and decide to alter my plans and go for a swift half. If, back in the day, I'd bought an Ealing to Hammersmith ticket, I'm screwed, I have to get off at Hammersmith and buy a new one. Now I'm using PAYG, I just change onto the Piccadilly and go on my merry way. That's a change that's made my life just that little bit less regulated by someone else. |
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How realistic is 'September 09' as a date for NR PAYG?
Tom Barry wrote: solar penguin wrote: Whenever it starts, it'll be weird to have PAYG finally becoming at least vaguely useful, rather than just an awkward and inconvenient replacement for Savers bus tickets like it is at present. But somehow I can't imagine it ever happening. I mean, what are the cahnces of pepole running and working in public transport ever doing something vaguely useful for their customers...? Meanwhile, in the real world, PAYG is extremely useful and has made travelling by tube and bus much more pleasant*. Face it, if people *didn't* find it useful and convenient we wouldn't be clamouring for it to be extended to National Rail, would we? It's not particularly hard to pretend that people running public transport do nothing useful when you ignore the useful things they do. Tom * Example: I'm travelling from Ealing Broadway to Hammersmith. I get a phone call from some friends in a pub in Piccadilly Circus and decide to alter my plans and go for a swift half. If, back in the day, I'd bought an Ealing to Hammersmith ticket, I'm screwed, I have to get off at Hammersmith and buy a new one. Now I'm using PAYG, I just change onto the Piccadilly and go on my merry way. That's a change that's made my life just that little bit less regulated by someone else. In your real world, maybe. But in _my_ real world, I'd have had to already get a one-day travelcard to get to Ealing Broadway in the first place, so I would just use that to go to Piccadilly Circus. (And that's assuming I decided to drop whatever important things I was going to Hammersmith to do in the first place just to go see those friends instead. After all, I can see them any time. It's more likely I'd make my appologies and arrange to meet them some other time when it would be convenient for all of us.) |
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How realistic is 'September 09' as a date for NR PAYG?
Tom Barry wrote:
solar penguin wrote: Whenever it starts, it'll be weird to have PAYG finally becoming at least vaguely useful, rather than just an awkward and inconvenient replacement for Savers bus tickets like it is at present. But somehow I can't imagine it ever happening. I mean, what are the cahnces of pepole running and working in public transport ever doing something vaguely useful for their customers...? Meanwhile, in the real world, PAYG is extremely useful and has made travelling by tube and bus much more pleasant*. Face it, if people *didn't* find it useful and convenient we wouldn't be clamouring for it to be extended to National Rail, would we? It's not particularly hard to pretend that people running public transport do nothing useful when you ignore the useful things they do. Tom * Example: I'm travelling from Ealing Broadway to Hammersmith. I get a phone call from some friends in a pub in Piccadilly Circus and decide to alter my plans and go for a swift half. If, back in the day, I'd bought an Ealing to Hammersmith ticket, I'm screwed, I have to get off at Hammersmith and buy a new one. Now I'm using PAYG, I just change onto the Piccadilly and go on my merry way. That's a change that's made my life just that little bit less regulated by someone else. I couldn't agree more, though I think solarpenguin's point was that if (like me and many others) your nearest tube station is 8 miles away (despite only being in zone 4), you currently either have to commit to starting your journey with a long bus journey (then stay within the PAYG-enabled system), or assume that you might want to use a train at some point that day and buy a paper travelcard. For large swathes of south London, PAYG is currently nothing more than a glorified one day bus pass. -- Current nearest station: Pimlico |
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How realistic is 'September 09' as a date for NR PAYG?
Rupert Candy wrote: I couldn't agree more, though I think solarpenguin's point was that if (like me and many others) your nearest tube station is 8 miles away (despite only being in zone 4), you currently either have to commit to starting your journey with a long bus journey (then stay within the PAYG-enabled system), or assume that you might want to use a train at some point that day and buy a paper travelcard. For large swathes of south London, PAYG is currently nothing more than a glorified one day bus pass. Exactly. It's a point I've made many times before. At present, PAYG is _only_ really useful for those people who just happen to live near a Tube/Overground/DLR/etc. station. (Does anyone know if they're the majority of Londeners? I don't think so, but it would be interesting to see some statistics.) But for the rest of us, PAYG is currently just an inconvenient form of cheap bus ticket. This is a pretty obvious statement, but each time I point it out, I get accused of talking nonsense. |
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