On 10 July, 03:52, James Farrar wrote:
Barry Salter wrote in news:7bmdrbF247r5vU2
@mid.individual.net:

Peter Smyth wrote:

It seems odd that the N73 can't stop there. Is Tottenham Hale Bus
Station really that busy in the middle of the night?

Isn't the N73 an artic? I can't see one of those getting around the loop
all that easily.

londonbusroutes.net says that the only night bus routes that run bendies
are the 12, 25, N29, 149 and 153.

Not the 453?

On Jul 10, 7:31*am, MIG wrote:

On 10 July, 03:52, James Farrar wrote:

Barry Salter wrote:

Peter Smyth wrote:

It seems odd that the N73 can't stop there. Is Tottenham Hale Bus
Station really that busy in the middle of the night?

Isn't the N73 an artic? I can't see one of those getting around the loop
all that easily.

londonbusroutes.net says that the only night bus routes that run bendies
are the 12, 25, N29, 149 and 153.

Not the 453?

The N453 is indeed a bendy bus.

On 10 July, 10:21, Mizter T wrote:
On Jul 10, 7:31*am, MIG wrote:





On 10 July, 03:52, James Farrar wrote:

Barry Salter wrote:

Peter Smyth wrote:

It seems odd that the N73 can't stop there. Is Tottenham Hale Bus
Station really that busy in the middle of the night?

Isn't the N73 an artic? I can't see one of those getting around the loop
all that easily.

londonbusroutes.net says that the only night bus routes that run bendies
are the 12, 25, N29, 149 and 153.

Not the 453?

The N453 is indeed a bendy bus.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I realised after that his 153 must be a typo for 453, which I think is
just 24-hour rather than a N.

On Jul 10, 7:16*pm, MIG wrote:

On 10 July, 10:21, Mizter T wrote:

On Jul 10, 7:31*am, MIG wrote:

On 10 July, 03:52, James Farrar wrote:

[snip]

londonbusroutes.net says that the only night bus routes that run bendies
are the 12, 25, N29, 149 and 153.

Not the 453?

The N453 is indeed a bendy bus.

I realised after that his 153 must be a typo for 453, which I think is
just 24-hour rather than a N.

It is indeed, you are correct, and James did a typo - the 24-hour 453
is featured here on the Westminster night bus map:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/gettingaro...uses-11497.pdf

I couldn't remember if it was a 24 hour route or not, so instead of
checking a bus spider map or the TfL journey planner I did a Google
image search for "n453 london bus", one of the first thumbnails in teh
results led me to this page - which has an out of date photo of a bus
stop at Baker Street which displays 'plates' for both 453 and N453:
http://www.ukstudentlife.com/Travel/...uses.htm#Stops

It's obviously taken after the introduction of bendy buses, as they
both appear on yellow 'plates' with the advice/warning "Buy tickets
before boarding" (and it's just outside the central London 'pay before
you board' area too). So my half-remembered recollection of there
being a distinct N453 service in the recent past wasn't so far wide of
the mark! I'm not sure when the separate N453 was dropped and the
daytime 453 went 24-hours though.

On 10 July, 19:37, Mizter T wrote:
On Jul 10, 7:16*pm, MIG wrote:





On 10 July, 10:21, Mizter T wrote:

On Jul 10, 7:31*am, MIG wrote:

On 10 July, 03:52, James Farrar wrote:

[snip]

londonbusroutes.net says that the only night bus routes that run bendies
are the 12, 25, N29, 149 and 153.

Not the 453?

The N453 is indeed a bendy bus.

I realised after that his 153 must be a typo for 453, which I think is
just 24-hour rather than a N.

It is indeed, you are correct, and James did a typo - the 24-hour 453
is featured here on the Westminster night bus map:http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/gettingaro...westminsternig...

I couldn't remember if it was a 24 hour route or not, so instead of
checking a bus spider map or the TfL journey planner I did a Google
image search for "n453 london bus", one of the first thumbnails in teh
results led me to this page - which has an out of date photo of a bus
stop at Baker Street which displays 'plates' for both 453 and N453:http://www.ukstudentlife.com/Travel/...uses.htm#Stops

It's obviously taken after the introduction of bendy buses, as they
both appear on yellow 'plates' with the advice/warning "Buy tickets
before boarding" (and it's just outside the central London 'pay before
you board' area too). So my half-remembered recollection of there
being a distinct N453 service in the recent past wasn't so far wide of
the mark! I'm not sure when the separate N453 was dropped and the
daytime 453 went 24-hours though.

I ought to know, but I can't remember. Other changes did happen
fairly recently though, around the defunct N36 being replaced by a
N136 plus the 36 going 24-hour.

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

I couldn't remember if it was a 24 hour route or not, so instead of
checking a bus spider map or the TfL journey planner I did a Google
image search for "n453 london bus", one of the first thumbnails in teh
results led me to this page - which has an out of date photo of a bus
stop at Baker Street which displays 'plates' for both 453 and N453:
http://www.ukstudentlife.com/Travel/...uses.htm#Stops

It's obviously taken after the introduction of bendy buses, as they
both appear on yellow 'plates' with the advice/warning "Buy tickets
before boarding" (and it's just outside the central London 'pay before
you board' area too). So my half-remembered recollection of there
being a distinct N453 service in the recent past wasn't so far wide of
the mark! I'm not sure when the separate N453 was dropped and the
daytime 453 went 24-hours though.

Surely yellow plates came in some time before the bendys to soften people
up for their introduction.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 10 July, 20:58, wrote:
In article
,

(Mizter T) wrote:
I couldn't remember if it was a 24 hour route or not, so instead of
checking a bus spider map or the TfL journey planner I did a Google
image search for "n453 london bus", one of the first thumbnails in teh
results led me to this page - which has an out of date photo of a bus
stop at Baker Street which displays 'plates' for both 453 and N453:
http://www.ukstudentlife.com/Travel/...uses.htm#Stops

It's obviously taken after the introduction of bendy buses, as they
both appear on yellow 'plates' with the advice/warning "Buy tickets
before boarding" (and it's just outside the central London 'pay before
you board' area too). So my half-remembered recollection of there
being a distinct N453 service in the recent past wasn't so far wide of
the mark! I'm not sure when the separate N453 was dropped and the
daytime 453 went 24-hours though.

Surely yellow plates came in some time before the bendys to soften people
up for their introduction.

I don't think there was such a thing as a 453 before bendys though.
Or a 436. They made overlapping sections with the 53 and 36 which
were shortened, and my impression was that it happened with
bendification.

MIG wrote:
I don't think there was such a thing as a 453 before bendys though.
Or a 436. They made overlapping sections with the 53 and 36 which
were shortened, and my impression was that it happened with
bendification.

You're correct (apart from the 453 running with deckers for the first
month or so at first until the artics were delivered). So the yellow
plates would have been on the stops for all of about a week before the
routes were over to pay before boarding.

In article
,
(MIG) wrote:

On 10 July, 20:58, wrote:
In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:
I couldn't remember if it was a 24 hour route or not, so instead of
checking a bus spider map or the TfL journey planner I did a Google
image search for "n453 london bus", one of the first thumbnails in
teh results led me to this page - which has an out of date photo of
a bus stop at Baker Street which displays 'plates' for both 453 and
N453:

http://www.ukstudentlife.com/Travel/...uses.htm#Stops

It's obviously taken after the introduction of bendy buses, as they
both appear on yellow 'plates' with the advice/warning "Buy tickets
before boarding" (and it's just outside the central London 'pay
before you board' area too). So my half-remembered recollection of
there being a distinct N453 service in the recent past wasn't so
far wide of the mark! I'm not sure when the separate N453 was
dropped and the daytime 453 went 24-hours though.

Surely yellow plates came in some time before the bendys to soften
people up for their introduction.

I don't think there was such a thing as a 453 before bendys though.
Or a 436. They made overlapping sections with the 53 and 36 which
were shortened, and my impression was that it happened with
bendification.

You might be right. I'm not sure even though I was cycling amongst them at
the time.

It doesn't detract from my point that off-bus ticketing came in before the
end of the Routemasters. They couldn't be scrapped without off bus
ticketing being in place and well established first.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Jul 10, 10:07*pm, MIG wrote:

On 10 July, 20:58, wrote:

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:
I couldn't remember if it was a 24 hour route or not, so instead of
checking a bus spider map or the TfL journey planner I did a Google
image search for "n453 london bus", one of the first thumbnails in teh
results led me to this page - which has an out of date photo of a bus
stop at Baker Street which displays 'plates' for both 453 and N453:
http://www.ukstudentlife.com/Travel/...uses.htm#Stops

It's obviously taken after the introduction of bendy buses, as they
both appear on yellow 'plates' with the advice/warning "Buy tickets
before boarding" (and it's just outside the central London 'pay before
you board' area too). So my half-remembered recollection of there
being a distinct N453 service in the recent past wasn't so far wide of
the mark! I'm not sure when the separate N453 was dropped and the
daytime 453 went 24-hours though.

Surely yellow plates came in some time before the bendys to soften people
up for their introduction.

I don't think there was such a thing as a 453 before bendys though.
Or a 436. *They made overlapping sections with the 53 and 36 which
were shortened, and my impression was that it happened with
bendification.

Yes, the 453 was indeed a 'new' route (as John Swallow conforms
downthread), as was the 436 - they''ve been bendy bus routes from the
outset (though see John's caveat re the 453). These are two routes
that I really don't think will cope well with being 'de-bendified'.