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On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:08:34 -0700 (PDT)
" wrote:


As a cyclist who uses the NLL on Saturday mornings/afternoon the thing
i don't like about the new trains is that there is NO dedicated
wheelchair/bicycle area.

Good. The last thing needed on a packed rush hour train is some numpty trying
to squeeze a bicycle on. As for wheelchairs - if the stations arn't wheelchair
accessable theres little point making the trains so.

B2003

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Mizter T wrote:

Today's NLL is a rather different beast - arguably created out of the
twin files of the 1980's, the Thatcherite expansion of the City, and
Red Ken Livingstone's pro-public transport policies. The former
because the little used Broad Street station was closed and the land
redeveloped as a large modern office complex with the faux-medieval
moniker Broadgate, situated on the edge of the square mile and
suitable as a modern open-plan venue for thrusting business keen to
move out of dowdy and pokey archaic City offices. The latter because
the GLC (under Ken) played an instrumental part in pushing for the NLL
to be re-routed from Dalston through Hackney to Stratford, and then
down to North Woolwich.

I thought the Cross Town LinkLine connecting Camden Road to North Woolwich
opened in 1979, before Livingstone was running the GLC?

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On Jul 13, 4:25*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:08:34 -0700 (PDT)

" wrote:

As a cyclist who uses the NLL on Saturday mornings/afternoon the thing
i don't like about the new trains is that there is NO dedicated
wheelchair/bicycle area.

Good. The last thing needed on a packed rush hour train is some numpty trying
to squeeze a bicycle on. As for wheelchairs - if the stations arn't wheelchair
accessable theres little point making the trains so.


Whilst agreeing about peak-hour bikes, there are plenty of wheelchair
accessible stations on the LO routes. On the Watford - Euston route,
Watford Junction, Carpenders Park, Harrow and Wealdstone, Willesden
Junction and Euston are all accessible. On Willesden - Richmond, only
Gunnersbury isn't; on Willesden - Clapham Junction only Clapham
Junction isn't (and work is underway here it give step free access).
On Willesden - Stratford, currently only the eastern three stations
(Homerton, Hackney Wick and Stratford) have step-free access, so the
North London line itself is a bit of a weak spot. Gospel Oak - Barking
also has access at Upper Holloway, Harringay Green Lane, Walthamstow
Queens Road and Barking (25% of stations). As well as the fully
accessible stations, there are a couple of other spots where one
platform has access. The number of accessible stations certainly mean
that the trains should be accessible as well, regardless of the law
saying that they must be.

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On Jul 13, 5:21*pm, Andy wrote:
Whilst agreeing about peak-hour bikes, there are plenty of wheelchair
accessible stations on the LO routes. On the Watford - Euston route,
Watford Junction, Carpenders Park, Harrow and Wealdstone, Willesden
Junction and Euston are all accessible. On Willesden - Richmond, only
Gunnersbury isn't; on Willesden - Clapham Junction only Clapham
Junction isn't (and work is underway here it give step free access).
On Willesden - Stratford, currently only the eastern three stations
(Homerton, Hackney Wick and Stratford) have step-free access, so the
North London line itself is a bit of a weak spot. Gospel Oak - Barking
also has access at Upper Holloway, Harringay Green Lane, Walthamstow
Queens Road and Barking (25% of stations). As well as the fully
accessible stations, there are a couple of other spots where one
platform has access. The number of accessible stations certainly mean
that the trains should be accessible as well, regardless of the law
saying that they must be.

Indeed. Luckily for wheelchair users, the shared area isn't a problem,
as they unequivocally have priority in that space.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote

I thought the Cross Town LinkLine connecting Camden Road to North Woolwich
opened in 1979, before Livingstone was running the GLC?
Indeed. Initially it was a dmu operation between North Woolwich and Camden
Road, with no intermediate stations between Stratford and Canonbury. At
first off-peak trains at least were very lightly loaded - on one occasion,
when I was the only passenger in the front coach (of 2), the driver invited
me into the cab.

Peter

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On Jul 13, 10:08*am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8147134.stm

I wonder if they'll actually enter passenger service today as well?

This has been accompanied by a new London Overground 'microsite' on
the TfL website, which sings the praises of LO and the routes they
operate:
http://overgroundmicrosite.tfl.gov.uk

(This comes replete with what appears to be a few LO-only 2-for-1
ticket offers at attractions - though a quick glance suggests that
they're there for the taking for anyone who's able to say the magic
words...)

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This has been accompanied by a new London Overground 'microsite' on
the TfL website, which sings the praises of LO and the routes they
operate:

Oddly they have used the (Google) map locations which appear to come
from nationalrail.co.uk rather than the ones with the tube symbol. So
some of the markers are way out: eg Homerton is marked about 300m East
of its proper location.
--
R

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On Jul 13, 8:06*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:25:42 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:08:34 -0700 (PDT)
" wrote:

As a cyclist who uses the NLL on Saturday mornings/afternoon the thing
i don't like about the new trains is that there is NO dedicated
wheelchair/bicycle area.

Good. The last thing needed on a packed rush hour train is some numpty trying
to squeeze a bicycle on. As for wheelchairs - if the stations arn't wheelchair
accessable theres little point making the trains so.

He did say *Saturday* which, while busy, is not the rush hour or at
least wasn't the last time I looked.

And Boltar knows he said Saturday, but it doesn't allow for quite as
much invective to be let forth as if one pretends the poster in fact
referred to a packed rush hour train, so helpfully that little fact is
forgotten before the rant commences ;)


I would be surprised if the 378s do not have at least one set of doors
labelled for wheelchair access with an assumed area for wheelchairs to
locate themselves.

They do - at least according to page 4.16 of the TfL's LO "train
graphic standards" - available here (N.B. 9.13MB PDF file):
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/corporate/...rd-issue02.pdf

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On Jul 13, 8:45*pm, "neverwas" wrote:

This has been accompanied by a new London Overground 'microsite' on
the TfL website, which sings the praises of LO and the routes they
operate:

Oddly they have used the *(Google) map locations which appear to come
from nationalrail.co.uk rather than the ones with the tube symbol. *So
some of the markers are way out: eg Homerton is marked about 300m East
of its proper location.

I think the use of Google Maps might possibly be a result of the
leaner TfL marketing operation post-Bozza cutbacks. I do think it
looks a bit cheap, though I'm sure it could be defended as making use
of free/low-cost tools that are out there etc.

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"John B" wrote

Removing the 3rd seat from the 313s (making them 2+2 with a wide
aisle) has significantly improved the travelling experience, on the
couple of times I've used full NLL trains since they made the change.
I'm sure that longitudinal seating will be similarly helpful.

How do the number of (longitudinal) seats in a 4-car 378 compare with the
number of (transverse 2+2) seats in a 313 as currently used on LO?

Peter