There does seem to be a need for a passenger service between Willesden
Junction and Ealing Broadway

Peter

Interesting suggestion. While I don't disagree can you justify it? And,
are you suggesting just that short hop or using that piece of track as part
of something bigger (e.g. Barking (by electrifying Goblin) to Heathrow)?

"Graham Harrison" wrote in message
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There does seem to be a need for a passenger service between Willesden
Junction and Ealing Broadway

Interesting suggestion. While I don't disagree can you justify it?
And, are you suggesting just that short hop or using that piece of track
as part of something bigger (e.g. Barking (by electrifying Goblin) to
Heathrow)?
I doubt that there'd be enough passengers to justify taking Heathrow paths
away from HEx and HConn/Crossrail. But how about Barking - Gospel Oak (would
need rebuilding so that through trains could call) - Willesden Junction -
Ealing Broadway - Greenford. There would be same platform interchange at
Ealing Broadway for Heathrow, and it would give a better route to Heathrow
from the FCC Bedford line and the Jubilee Stanmore line (via West
Hampstead), and, at least if Willesden Junction were ever to gain Slow Line
platforms, the Milton Keynes line.

IMHO curtailing the Ealing Greenford line to a shuttle from West Ealing will
be a considerable disbenefit - passengers for the LUL District Line will
have to change twice at West Ealing and Ealing Broadway, though passengers
for the Central Line will be able to circulate the other way via Greenford.

Peter

Peter Masson wrote:

But how about Barking -
Gospel Oak (would need rebuilding so that through trains could call)
- Willesden Junction - Ealing Broadway - Greenford.

Gospel Oak is one of the worst sited stations in London - its catchment area
is a quarter parkland and a quarter cut off by other railways. Building
platforms at Tufnell Park (with entrances at both ends of Churchill Road)
and running the Greblin through Gospel Oak without stopping must have a
better cost-benefit ratio.

IMHO curtailing the Ealing Greenford line to a shuttle from West
Ealing will be a considerable disbenefit - passengers for the LUL
District Line will have to change twice at West Ealing and Ealing
Broadway, though passengers for the Central Line will be able to
circulate the other way via Greenford.

But the curtailment must surely be to make capacity for other trains between
West Ealing and Ealing Broadway, and your plan doesn't address that.

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
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"Graham Harrison" wrote in
message ...
There does seem to be a need for a passenger service between Willesden
Junction and Ealing Broadway

Interesting suggestion. While I don't disagree can you justify it? And,
are you suggesting just that short hop or using that piece of track as
part of something bigger (e.g. Barking (by electrifying Goblin) to
Heathrow)?
I doubt that there'd be enough passengers to justify taking Heathrow paths
away from HEx and HConn/Crossrail. But how about Barking - Gospel Oak
(would need rebuilding so that through trains could call) - Willesden
Junction - Ealing Broadway - Greenford. There would be same platform
interchange at Ealing Broadway for Heathrow, and it would give a better
route to Heathrow from the FCC Bedford line and the Jubilee Stanmore line
(via West Hampstead), and, at least if Willesden Junction were ever to
gain Slow Line platforms, the Milton Keynes line.

IMHO curtailing the Ealing Greenford line to a shuttle from West Ealing
will be a considerable disbenefit - passengers for the LUL District Line
will have to change twice at West Ealing and Ealing Broadway, though
passengers for the Central Line will be able to circulate the other way
via Greenford.

Peter

I wonder if curtailment at West Ealing is about capacity through the flat
junction? Which makes any use of the line up to the NLL from the GWML an
issue as well. Combine the 2 routes and I suspect you have a complete
no-no so long as they remain flat junctions.

It all depends what the real target is. Willesden Junction to Ealing would
be nice but I can't really see it's a requirement. Willesden Junction to
Heathrow makes more sense but other than using the GWML/NLL link the only
other route I can see would be through South Acton then along the
(unelectrified) line to Kew, along the Hounslow loop to wherever Airtrack
joins (if that ever happens and if the junctions point the right way).

"Graham Harrison" wrote

I wonder if curtailment at West Ealing is about capacity through the flat
junction? Which makes any use of the line up to the NLL from the GWML an
issue as well. Combine the 2 routes and I suspect you have a complete
no-no so long as they remain flat junctions.

West Ealing will remain a flat junction, though current timetabling makes
the best of it, with up and down Greenford trains passing each other at or
close to the junction. The Crossrail proposals take the spur from Acton
Wells round the back of Acton Main Line station, with a diveunder so that
the down spur joins the down relief without conflicting with the up relief.

Peter