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Southeastern surcharge loophole?
Someone I know who has access to the FRPP website confirmed to me
that: For domestic tickets, a journey from the Southeastern area to stations beyond London which would normally be routed via Ashford will allow travel by "Any Permitted Route", and that would be valid for travel on the Javelin preview service without a supplement. A local journey Ashford - London would need the supplement, however. Now here are the prices for tickets from Ashford to London St. Pancras with the surcharge. Anytime Single (SDS) £26.60 Anytime Day Return (SDR) £48.70 (HS Upgrade Anytime Single (HUA) £4.40) (HS Upgrade Anytime Return (HUB) £8.10) However, if you get a ticket from Ashford to Kentish Town that is any route permitted, and therefore allows you to travel on the fast Southeastern services, the prices are as follows: ASHFORD INTL 5004 - KENTISH TOWN 1553 (Derived from ASHFORD INTL 5004 - W HAMPSTEAD STNS 0265) rte Any Permitted SET FDS S 33.90 FDR R 67.80 SDS S 22.60 SDR R 42.50 SVR 4A R 28.60 CDR C4 R 23.10 Looks like you can save yourself £4 on a single,, or £6.20 on an anytime return... or am I missing something? |
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Southeastern surcharge loophole?
On Jul 17, 7:57*pm, Lucas wrote:
Someone I know who has access to the FRPP website confirmed to me that: For domestic tickets, a journey from the Southeastern area to stations beyond London which would normally be routed via Ashford will allow travel by "Any Permitted Route", and that would be valid for travel on the Javelin preview service without a supplement. A local journey Ashford - London would need the supplement, however. Now here are the prices for tickets from Ashford to London St. Pancras with the surcharge. Anytime Single (SDS) £26.60 Anytime Day Return (SDR) £48.70 (HS Upgrade Anytime Single (HUA) £4.40) (HS Upgrade Anytime Return (HUB) £8.10) However, if you get a ticket from Ashford to Kentish Town that is any route permitted, and therefore allows you to travel on the fast Southeastern services, the prices are as follows: ASHFORD INTL 5004 - KENTISH TOWN 1553 (Derived from ASHFORD INTL 5004 - W HAMPSTEAD STNS 0265) rte Any Permitted SET FDS * * *S * * *33.90 FDR * * *R * * *67.80 SDS * * *S * * *22.60 SDR * * *R * * *42.50 SVR * * 4A * * *R * * * 28.60 CDR * * C4 * * *R * * * 23.10 Looks like you can save yourself £4 on a single,, or £6.20 on an anytime return... or am I missing something? I think this information is out of date. None of the public websites (nationalrail, SEtrains etc.) will show the cheaper fare as valid on the HS1 preview trains, only on the slow route. The fares to/from Kentish Town via HS1 are shown as £27.00 SDS. It would be worth checking if the fare you quote above is the old any permitted which would now be 'not HS1' |
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Southeastern surcharge loophole?
Lucas wrote:
Someone I know who has access to the FRPP website confirmed to me that: For domestic tickets, a journey from the Southeastern area to stations beyond London which would normally be routed via Ashford will allow travel by "Any Permitted Route", and that would be valid for travel on the Javelin preview service without a supplement. A local journey Ashford - London would need the supplement, however. Said friend obviously hasn't read the information contained in The Manual[1] correctly then. There's a list of 100 Southeastern and Southern stations defined as being high speed catchment stations, with associated HS1 supplements. The only journeys that *don't* require a supplement are longer distance ones routed "Any Permitted" (the example given being Derby to Ashford International), and passengers holding appropriate First Class tickets. snip [Kentish Town - Ashford vice London - Ashford] Looks like you can save yourself £4 on a single,, or £6.20 on an anytime return... or am I missing something? You'd fall foul of the fares rule when checking for valid routeing points for the journey. Kentish Town has London Group and West Hampstead Group as potential routeing points. Ashford International is a routeing point. Doing a fare check: Ashford International - Kentish Town Anytime Day Single: £22.60 London Terminals - Ashford International Anytime Day Single: £22.20 route Not HS1, £26.60 route via HS1 So you can only use London Group as the destination routeing point by avoiding HS1, as the fare via HS1 is more than the fare for the through journey. HTH, Barry [1] The new name for the FRPP since the May fares round |
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Southeastern surcharge loophole?
"Barry Salter" wrote in message ... Lucas wrote: Someone I know who has access to the FRPP website confirmed to me that: For domestic tickets, a journey from the Southeastern area to stations beyond London which would normally be routed via Ashford will allow travel by "Any Permitted Route", and that would be valid for travel on the Javelin preview service without a supplement. A local journey Ashford - London would need the supplement, however. Said friend obviously hasn't read the information contained in The Manual[1] correctly then. There's a list of 100 Southeastern and Southern stations defined as being high speed catchment stations, with associated HS1 supplements. The only journeys that *don't* require a supplement are longer distance ones routed "Any Permitted" (the example given being Derby to Ashford International), and passengers holding appropriate First Class tickets. The point is that Kentish Town - Ashford is routed Any Permitted and therefore is valid in the same way that Derby - Ashford is valid. Maybe this is not what SET intended, but until they change the tickets to "not via HS1" they are valid. [Kentish Town - Ashford vice London - Ashford] Looks like you can save yourself £4 on a single,, or £6.20 on an anytime return... or am I missing something? You'd fall foul of the fares rule when checking for valid routeing points for the journey. Kentish Town has London Group and West Hampstead Group as potential routeing points. Ashford International is a routeing point. Doing a fare check: Ashford International - Kentish Town Anytime Day Single: £22.60 London Terminals - Ashford International Anytime Day Single: £22.20 route Not HS1, £26.60 route via HS1 So you can only use London Group as the destination routeing point by avoiding HS1, as the fare via HS1 is more than the fare for the through journey. What about West Hampstead - Ashford? This is the same price as Kentish Town and because it is a routeing point there is no requirement to check any fares. Peter Smyth |
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