Sorry - not sure exactly what they're called, but why is it only the SSL
and Overground that are to get trains that you can walk all the way
through (like a bendy bus)?

Is there something on the Tube lines that stops this design being practical?

Also, are the 172s going to be like the 378s or the more 'conventional'
design like on other BR trains?

On Aug 11, 1:18*pm, Commuter wrote:
Sorry - not sure exactly what they're called, but why is it only the SSL
and Overground that are to get trains that you can walk all the way
through (like a bendy bus)?

Is there something on the Tube lines that stops this design being practical?

Bouncyness and sharp curves, AIUI.

Also, are the 172s going to be like the 378s or the more 'conventional'
design like on other BR trains?

Definitely conventional carriages and conventional-ish seating,
although I'm assuming it'll be wide-aisle 2x2 like the SWT 455s.
Remember, the aim among all involved is for the 172s not to stay in
LO's hands for very long.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

In message , at 13:18:32 on Tue, 11 Aug
2009, Commuter remarked:
Sorry - not sure exactly what they're called, but why is it only the
SSL and Overground that are to get trains that you can walk all the way
through (like a bendy bus)?

I thought there were plans for such trains in the Underground (the
ex-Metrolink contract).
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message

In message , at 13:18:32 on Tue, 11 Aug
2009, Commuter remarked:
Sorry - not sure exactly what they're called, but why is it only the
SSL and Overground that are to get trains that you can walk all the
way through (like a bendy bus)?

I thought there were plans for such trains in the Underground (the
ex-Metrolink contract).

I think the 2009 Victoria line trains are the only tube trains ordered
by Metronet.

In message , at 14:42:18 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
Sorry - not sure exactly what they're called, but why is it only the
SSL and Overground that are to get trains that you can walk all the
way through (like a bendy bus)?

I thought there were plans for such trains in the Underground (the
ex-Metrolink contract).

I think the 2009 Victoria line trains are the only tube trains ordered
by Metronet.

There originally seemed to be bigger plans, for more new trains.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message

In message , at 14:42:18 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
Sorry - not sure exactly what they're called, but why is it only
the SSL and Overground that are to get trains that you can walk
all the way through (like a bendy bus)?

I thought there were plans for such trains in the Underground (the
ex-Metrolink contract).

I think the 2009 Victoria line trains are the only tube trains
ordered by Metronet.

There originally seemed to be bigger plans, for more new trains.

Not that I can recall. The Bakerloo is the only other Metronet line with
old trains, but they're not due for replacement for a few years yet. Had
Metronet remained in its original form, I'm sure these would just have
been follow-ons from the Bombardier 2009 stock (rather like the Met-Cam
1972 stock was based on the 1967 TS), but TfL is much more likely to put
it out to tender.

I assume Tube Lines will also put the Piccadilly replacement stock out
to tender, but not just yet -- perhaps the 1972 and 1973 replacements
will be a single new stock, much as the S stock replaces the A, C and D
stocks. Conceivably, Bombardier could win both those contracts as well,
but Alston, for one, is likely to be keen to bid.

As mentioned upthread, for reasons of tight space and twisty track, I
think it highly unlikely that any LU tube stock will have walk-through
inter-car connections. After all, just think how narrow and low the
doorways would have to be!

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:38:45 +0100
"Recliner" wrote:
Not that I can recall. The Bakerloo is the only other Metronet line with
old trains, but they're not due for replacement for a few years yet. Had
Metronet remained in its original form, I'm sure these would just have
been follow-ons from the Bombardier 2009 stock (rather like the Met-Cam
1972 stock was based on the 1967 TS), but TfL is much more likely to put
it out to tender.

Is it really to much to ask for LUL to stick with a common design to save
on the cost of a new one as opposed to just adding extra orders onto the book?
Not to mention being able to spread staff maintenance expertise over more than
1 line, saving on the cost of spares etc. While train builders seem to like to
pretend they're designing the space shuttles replacement there really hasn't
been any large scale new tech in trains for the last 10 years so why bother
with yet another design?

As mentioned upthread, for reasons of tight space and twisty track, I
think it highly unlikely that any LU tube stock will have walk-through
inter-car connections. After all, just think how narrow and low the
doorways would have to be!

Doesn't seem to be a problem for people in bendy buses when they go around
corners.

B2003

On 11 Aug, 15:38, "Recliner" wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message



In message , at 14:42:18 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
Sorry - not sure exactly what they're called, but why is it only
the SSL and Overground that are to get trains that you can walk
all the way through (like a bendy bus)?

I thought there were plans for such trains in the Underground (the
ex-Metrolink contract).

I think the 2009 Victoria line trains are the only tube trains
ordered by Metronet.

There originally seemed to be bigger plans, for more new trains.

Not that I can recall. The Bakerloo is the only other Metronet line with
old trains, but they're not due for replacement for a few years yet. Had
Metronet remained in its original form, I'm sure these would just have
been follow-ons from the Bombardier 2009 stock (rather like the Met-Cam
1972 stock was based on the 1967 TS), but TfL is much more likely to put
it out to tender.

I assume Tube Lines will also put the Piccadilly replacement stock out
to tender, but not just yet -- perhaps the 1972 and 1973 replacements
will be a single new stock, much as the S stock replaces the A, C and D
stocks. Conceivably, Bombardier could win both those contracts as well,
but Alston, for one, is likely to be keen to bid.

As mentioned upthread, for reasons of tight space and twisty track, I
think it highly unlikely that any LU tube stock will have walk-through
inter-car connections. *After all, just think how narrow and low the
doorways would have to be!

I wouldn't be surprised if the 1967 stock was in a better condition
than 1972 stock anyway, not having been subjected to the bends, bounce
and manual driving of the bakerloo.

I wonder if some will cascaded, or maybe it doesn't have the full
manual driving equipment?

In message , at 15:38:45 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message

In message , at 14:42:18 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
Sorry - not sure exactly what they're called, but why is it only
the SSL and Overground that are to get trains that you can walk
all the way through (like a bendy bus)?

I thought there were plans for such trains in the Underground (the
ex-Metrolink contract).

I think the 2009 Victoria line trains are the only tube trains
ordered by Metronet.

There originally seemed to be bigger plans, for more new trains.

Not that I can recall. The Bakerloo is the only other Metronet line with
old trains, but they're not due for replacement for a few years yet. Had
Metronet remained in its original form, I'm sure these would just have
been follow-ons from the Bombardier 2009 stock (rather like the Met-Cam
1972 stock was based on the 1967 TS), but TfL is much more likely to put
it out to tender.

I assume Tube Lines will also put the Piccadilly replacement stock out
to tender, but not just yet -- perhaps the 1972 and 1973 replacements
will be a single new stock, much as the S stock replaces the A, C and D
stocks. Conceivably, Bombardier could win both those contracts as well,
but Alston, for one, is likely to be keen to bid.

As mentioned upthread, for reasons of tight space and twisty track, I
think it highly unlikely that any LU tube stock will have walk-through
inter-car connections. After all, just think how narrow and low the
doorways would have to be!

"Since Metronet's collapse London Underground claims to have
saved £2.5bn through the renegotiation of contracts, revising
the upgrade programme, better procurement and operational
efficiencies. This new work will be complemented by a fleet of
191 new air-conditioned walk through trains. It will mean
passengers will experience a more reliable service, with 50%
greater capacity."

http://www.contractjournal.com/Artic.../70166/london-
underground-re-tenders-mammoth-metronet-signalling-job.html

Or are those SSL?
--
Roland Perry

On 11 Aug, 15:59, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:38:45 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:





"Roland Perry" wrote in message

In message , at 14:42:18 on
Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Recliner remarked:
Sorry - not sure exactly what they're called, but why is it only
the SSL and Overground that are to get trains that you can walk
all the way through (like a bendy bus)?

I thought there were plans for such trains in the Underground (the
ex-Metrolink contract).

I think the 2009 Victoria line trains are the only tube trains
ordered by Metronet.

There originally seemed to be bigger plans, for more new trains.

Not that I can recall. The Bakerloo is the only other Metronet line with
old trains, but they're not due for replacement for a few years yet. Had
Metronet remained in its original form, I'm sure these would just have
been follow-ons from the Bombardier 2009 stock (rather like the Met-Cam
1972 stock was based on the 1967 TS), but TfL is much more likely to put
it out to tender.

I assume Tube Lines will also put the Piccadilly replacement stock out
to tender, but not just yet -- perhaps the 1972 and 1973 replacements
will be a single new stock, much as the S stock replaces the A, C and D
stocks. Conceivably, Bombardier could win both those contracts as well,
but Alston, for one, is likely to be keen to bid.

As mentioned upthread, for reasons of tight space and twisty track, I
think it highly unlikely that any LU tube stock will have walk-through
inter-car connections. *After all, just think how narrow and low the
doorways would have to be!

* * * * "Since Metronet's collapse London Underground claims to have
* * * * saved £2.5bn through the renegotiation of contracts, revising
* * * * the upgrade programme, better procurement and operational
* * * * efficiencies. This new work will be complemented by a fleet of
* * * * 191 new air-conditioned walk through trains. It will mean
* * * * passengers will experience a more reliable service, with 50%
* * * * greater capacity."

http://www.contractjournal.com/Artic.../70166/london-
underground-re-tenders-mammoth-metronet-signalling-job.html

Or are those SSL?


Bound to be. There's no plans to air-condition anything tube-sized
either, is there?