Tom Page wrote:
I've just got approval to post the following pictures from a site
visit to the Northern Ticket Hall at King's Cross St. Pancras station.
Enjoy!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tompage...7621872604905/

Tom

Thanks.

What a waste of technology...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tompage...7621872604905/
Four of the platforms show identical destinations for the next three trains,
but tell you the time of the trains without telling you the time now. The
westbound Picc gives you the time of two trains to T4, but no indication of
the time of the next train to T5. The northbound Northern Line happens to
currently give you time of the next Mill Hill East train, but often would
give you no clue. I bet that thing cost them 100k, but it's partly wasted
because LUL always think about platforms and trains and never look inside
the head of a passenger.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Basil Jet wrote:

Tom Page wrote:

I've just got approval to post the following pictures from a site visit
to the Northern Ticket Hall at King's Cross St. Pancras station. Enjoy!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tompage...7621872604905/

What a waste of technology...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tompage...7621872604905/
Four of the platforms show identical destinations for the next three
trains, but tell you the time of the trains without telling you the time
now. The westbound Picc gives you the time of two trains to T4, but no
indication of the time of the next train to T5. The northbound Northern
Line happens to currently give you time of the next Mill Hill East
train, but often would give you no clue. I bet that thing cost them
100k, but it's partly wasted because LUL always think about platforms
and trains and never look inside the head of a passenger.

Would you want this man inside your head:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tompage...7621872604905/

?

The train running tunnels are dug by TBMs, which have a big spinning
slicey wheel thing, and hence these tunnels are circular in cross-section.
How are the passageways dug, and why are they also circular?

tom

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I don't know kung fu, I AM kung fu.

On Aug 13, 9:32*pm, "Basil Jet"
wrote:
Four of the platforms show identical destinations for the next three trains,
but tell you the time of the trains without telling you the time now. The
westbound Picc gives you the time of two trains to T4, but no indication of
the time of the next train to T5. The northbound Northern Line happens to
currently give you time of the next Mill Hill East train, but often would
give you no clue. I bet that thing cost them 100k, but it's partly wasted
because LUL always think about platforms and trains and never look inside
the head of a passenger.

ITYF that this is test data and it hasn't been connected to the system
(I'm fairly sure that the live board won't say "stop looking at this
board and get back to work, either). When it has, it'll work like
every other ticket-hall-level board on the system and say "Morden 5
mins, Kennington 7 mins", etc.

The LHR point is fair, but hard to do anything about until the Picc
signalling is updated. The MHE one isn't: if you need to go there, you
know you take the first High Barnet train and change at Finchley
Central.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:32:05 +0100
"Basil Jet" wrote:
but tell you the time of the trains without telling you the time now. The
westbound Picc gives you the time of two trains to T4, but no indication of
the time of the next train to T5. The northbound Northern Line happens to

No worse than at Arnos grove where the shiny(ish) new indicators for the
northbound trains still display bugger all apart from "Piccadilly Line"
(presumably for people so stupid that even after buying a ticket and entering
the station they still don't know what line they're on) after having been
installed for about 2 years already.

B2003

On Aug 14, 9:56*am, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:32:05 +0100

"Basil Jet" wrote:
but tell you the time of the trains without telling you the time now. The
westbound Picc gives you the time of two trains to T4, but no indication of
the time of the next train to T5. The northbound Northern Line happens to

No worse than at Arnos grove where the shiny(ish) new indicators for the
northbound trains still display bugger all apart from "Piccadilly Line"
(presumably for people so stupid that even after buying a ticket and entering
the station they still don't know what line they're on) after having been
installed for about 2 years already.

Alternative reality Boltar rant from 2010: "at Arnos Grove they've
just removed and replaced the ceiling tiles at enormous expense to
install the wiring for new indicators. Why the hell didn't the idiots
do that when they refurbished the rest of the station three years
ago?"

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:10:45 -0700 (PDT)
John B wrote:
Alternative reality Boltar rant from 2010: "at Arnos Grove they've
just removed and replaced the ceiling tiles at enormous expense to
install the wiring for new indicators. Why the hell didn't the idiots
do that when they refurbished the rest of the station three years
ago?"

If that really is the reason they don't work then I'll just cut and paste
that next year. Ta!

B2003

wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:10:45 -0700 (PDT)
John B wrote:
Alternative reality Boltar rant from 2010: "at Arnos Grove they've
just removed and replaced the ceiling tiles at enormous expense to
install the wiring for new indicators. Why the hell didn't the idiots
do that when they refurbished the rest of the station three years
ago?"

If that really is the reason they don't work then I'll just cut and
paste that next year. Ta!

If they aren't going to be used for three years, they should perhaps have
removed a fuse or something.

On Aug 14, 4:19*pm, "Basil Jet"
wrote:
Alternative reality Boltar rant from 2010: "at Arnos Grove they've
just removed and replaced the ceiling tiles at enormous expense to
install the wiring for new indicators. Why the hell didn't the idiots
do that when they refurbished the rest of the station three years
ago?"

If that really is the reason they don't work then I'll just cut and
paste that next year. Ta!

If they aren't going to be used for three years, they should perhaps have
removed a fuse or something.

AIUI they're removing (non-heritage) clocks from platform level with
immediate effect, because the new dot-matrixes have one built in, and
it'd be a bit rubbish to not have a clock at platform level.

Again, in a heavily H&S regulated environment where you can't just
unplug fixtures and stick some plastic padding in the screw-holes,
it's a lot easier to run the "install dot-matrix wiring, install dot-
matrix, remove clocks, de-activate clock wiring" project across all
refurbs, rather than sending in clock-removing electricians,
plasterers, etc when the screens are switched over.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org