In article , Dr Ivan D. Reid
writes
At the bottom were two Polizei with a radar gun, scowling in
frustration as we all crawled past...

Good.
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In article , Joe
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Not what you were asking, but there is evidence that speed is a killer.
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speed to drive at and no one else's.
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They're not speed cameras on the A14. It's TrafficMaster.....as are
all ANPR units on Blue poles.

ANPR Units on Green poles are for the new Highways agency National
Traffic Information Centre.

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Nik Fox
TravelNexus UK

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:20:44 -0000, "mjw1"
wrote:

What is the acronym for those road speed cameras they have on the A14 - not
the flashing Gatso ones, but rather the type that record your number plate
as you approach and then measure the time taken until you pass the next one?

Are they scheduled for a more wider roll-out within London?

As people can't just 'dip' their speed as they pass them, making them harder
to 'cheat' that the Gatso type, are they not likely to be favoured by the
police?

Mike

"Nik-thevoice" wrote in message
...
They're not speed cameras on the A14. It's TrafficMaster.....as are
all ANPR units on Blue poles.

Have you actually been along the A14?

The speed cameras referred to are those which face the driver and use
infra-red light. They are totally different from the Trafficmaster cameras,
and from the SPECs cameras which you can find on the M6, for example, in the
Thelwall Viaduct road works.
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"Terry Harper" wrote in message ...
"Nik-thevoice" wrote in message
...
They're not speed cameras on the A14. It's TrafficMaster.....as are
all ANPR units on Blue poles.

Have you actually been along the A14?

The speed cameras referred to are those which face the driver and use
infra-red light. They are totally different from the Trafficmaster cameras,
and from the SPECs cameras which you can find on the M6, for example, in the
Thelwall Viaduct road works.

I haven't been along that road.

But such a system is more useful than simply catching speeders. It is
an easy way to automatically detect traffic congestion.

If a large number of vehicles are taking excessively longer than the
normal time to pass between two points it is a sign that the road is
congested and this would be very useful for traffic information
bulletins.

Such methods could be used on the South-Western section of the M25 to
give proper live updates of the "Queue Ahead" signs and adjusting the
variable speed limits.

In article ,
Nmtop40 wrote:
But such a system is more useful than simply catching speeders.
It is an easy way to automatically detect traffic congestion.

One of the few things that can be said in its favour is that its
use would give TPTB an incentive to keep traffic moving.

--
Tony Bryer

Nick wrote:

Is there any evidence that these cameras reduce injuries or deaths?
They don't have them in Germany and accidents there are decreasing at more
than the rate here.
They have many more of them in Australia and their accidents are going up.

That statement's a bit misleading. Australia's had speed cameras for
well over a decade, and for several years the accident rate did go down
(although often it varied from state to state, as did the method of use,
time of introduction and the type of cameras. Recently in Victoria all
the cameras have had to be withdrawn, as they were getting erroneous
readings.)

The Aussies regard them as an extra tax on the motorist.

Not everyone, and I doubt there are many places in the world where
motorists don't regard them as an extra tax, except those places where
speed limits are very strictly enforced and speeding motorists are
likely to lose their licenses.

Here in South Australia, there have been several changes in policy of
speed camera use. Currently the police give advance warning of where
some (but not all) of the speed cameras are going to be located the next
day.

"Aidan Stanger" wrote in message
...
Nick wrote:

Is there any evidence that these cameras reduce injuries or deaths?
They don't have them in Germany and accidents there are decreasing at
more
than the rate here.

Well they have them in Dusseldorf, Bremen, Essen, Berlin and Munich all
cities in Germany.
The rabid anti-arguments all get a bit tiresome, so I will concentrate on
two roads which I know intimately and dealt with many serious accidents on.
A twelve mile stretch of the A40 between Headington and Witney there were 17
people killed in 13 accidents between 1990 and 1992. I have no information
on injury and damage only accidents. In 1993 the three speed cameras came
into use and in the twelve months following that there was only three
deaths. The following 12 months two. On the worst section for accidents at
Barnards Gate it went from seven fatalities in two years to none in the
following three. Similar results were seen at other locations. I helped
choose the sites where best to spend the limited funds on the initial
trials. Following retirement as a police officer I moved to Motorway Control
as a civilian. The force patrolled the more miles of motorway than any other
including the M25 from Hertfordshire to Surrey around Heathrow. The accident
rate on that stretch was higher than for all the other stretches we
controlled put together. The M4 and M40, A329M, A404M, A308M averaged about
half the RTA's on a daily basis that that short stretch of the M25 did. Once
the cameras were switched on along with the posted temporary speed limits,
the accident dropped dramatically. What accidents did occur were at lower
speeds and the results are lot less harmful to those involved. I moved on in
1999, and have no doubt that there are many alive today who would not have
been if speed enforcement hadn't been updated to make it more likely
motorists were caught speeding. Speed doesn't cause all accidents, but it is
a major factor in the severity of any impact, the lower the speed the less
chance of a serious outcome.

In article , Jon Porter
writes
The following 12 months two. On the worst section for accidents at
Barnards Gate it went from seven fatalities in two years to none in the
following three.

Probably due to the fact that they installed traffic lights at the
junction and stopped the traffic.
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