On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:09:57 +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
Roland Perry writes:
Ha! If you'd fly a Korean airline, you could have violent and insane too!

What a strange remark. Are you a xenophobic?.

Er, no. It was a joke (no doubt a poor one), but based on real
experience (and if you know anything about Korea, you'd know that
Koreans can be ... feisty).


On what basis would you attempt to justify such racist remarks?

Bruce writes:
Er, no. It was a joke (no doubt a poor one), but based on real
experience (and if you know anything about Korea, you'd know that
Koreans can be ... feisty).

On what basis would you attempt to justify such racist remarks?

So you disagree?

-Miles

--
Accordion, n. An instrument in harmony with the sentiments of an assassin.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:09:47 +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
Bruce writes:
Er, no. It was a joke (no doubt a poor one), but based on real
experience (and if you know anything about Korea, you'd know that
Koreans can be ... feisty).

On what basis would you attempt to justify such racist remarks?

So you disagree?


I disagree with your damning the whole Korean nation on the basis of
simplistic and highly unreliable racial stereotyping, yes.

Bruce writes:
I disagree with your damning the whole Korean nation on the basis of
simplistic and highly unreliable racial stereotyping, yes.

I'm not "damning the whole Korean nation", and I'm not making any
statements based on "race" ("Korean" is not a race; in the context of
this thread, it's a culture).

I _did_ try to make a joke (whether or not the humor was any good of
course, is a separate matter), which attempted to amplify a real-life
incident (involving, yes, Korean airline employees) using a cultural
stereotype.

It isn't a particularly negative stereotype of course (I chose the word
"feisty" on purpose, because it has generally positive connotation), and
like many other stereotypes, has some basis in fact.

Here's a test: Go ask a Korean person. It's very likely they'll either
(1) laugh and say "yeah, yeah, ok, it's true", or (2) punch you in the face.
Either way, point made.

[I _actually did this_, just now, and she did (1).]

-Miles

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Quotation, n. The act of repeating erroneously the words of another. The words
erroneously repeated.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:45:30 +0900, Miles Bader wrote:

Bruce writes:
I disagree with your damning the whole Korean nation on the basis of
simplistic and highly unreliable racial stereotyping, yes.

I'm not "damning the whole Korean nation", and I'm not making any
statements based on "race" ("Korean" is not a race; in the context of
this thread, it's a culture).


You're trying (and failing) to wriggle out of a posting that was
clearly racist.


I _did_ try to make a joke (whether or not the humor was any good of
course, is a separate matter), which attempted to amplify a real-life
incident (involving, yes, Korean airline employees) using a cultural
stereotype.


Making jokes using a cultural stereotype is racism. The fact it was
intended as a joke does not make it in any way less offensive - on the
contrary.


It isn't a particularly negative stereotype of course (I chose the word
"feisty" on purpose, because it has generally positive connotation), and
like many other stereotypes, has some basis in fact.

Here's a test: Go ask a Korean person. It's very likely they'll either
(1) laugh and say "yeah, yeah, ok, it's true", or (2) punch you in the face.
Either way, point made.


More racism. You just don't get it, do you.

Bruce writes:
You're trying (and failing) to wriggle out of a posting that was
clearly racist.

Bruce, you can call it what you want. That does not make it so.

-Miles

--
Discriminate, v.i. To note the particulars in which one person or thing is,
if possible, more objectionable than another.

"Bruce" wrote in message
...

I disagree with your damning the whole Korean nation on the basis of
simplistic and highly unreliable racial stereotyping, yes.


One might view 'feisty as a compliment.

On Oct 11, 4:51*pm, Bruce wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:09:57 +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
Roland Perry writes:
Ha! *If you'd fly a Korean airline, you could have violent and insane too!

What a strange remark. Are you a xenophobic?.

Er, no. *It was a joke (no doubt a poor one), but based on real
experience (and if you know anything about Korea, you'd know that
Koreans can be ... feisty).

On what basis would you attempt to justify such racist remarks?

Guys, I think you're taking his words too seriously. I'm Korean and I
see some truth to what he says. I agree he exaggerated a little but
if I heard that, I'd just laugh and take it as what it is: a joke, so
just chill.

Elie wrote:
On Oct 11, 4:51 pm, Bruce wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:09:57 +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
Roland Perry writes:
Ha! If you'd fly a Korean airline, you could have violent and insane too!
What a strange remark. Are you a xenophobic?.
Er, no. It was a joke (no doubt a poor one), but based on real
experience (and if you know anything about Korea, you'd know that
Koreans can be ... feisty).
On what basis would you attempt to justify such racist remarks?

Guys, I think you're taking his words too seriously. I'm Korean and I
see some truth to what he says. I agree he exaggerated a little but
if I heard that, I'd just laugh and take it as what it is: a joke, so
just chill.

Didn't a pilot on an Air Canada flight go stark raving bonkers [1] a
while back, and the aeroplane got diverted to Ireland as a result?

[1] IANAdoctor

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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:45:58 +0100, Arthur Figgis
wrote:

Elie wrote:
On Oct 11, 4:51 pm, Bruce wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:09:57 +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
Roland Perry writes:
Ha! If you'd fly a Korean airline, you could have violent and insane too!
What a strange remark. Are you a xenophobic?.
Er, no. It was a joke (no doubt a poor one), but based on real
experience (and if you know anything about Korea, you'd know that
Koreans can be ... feisty).
On what basis would you attempt to justify such racist remarks?

Guys, I think you're taking his words too seriously. I'm Korean and I
see some truth to what he says. I agree he exaggerated a little but
if I heard that, I'd just laugh and take it as what it is: a joke, so
just chill.

Didn't a pilot on an Air Canada flight go stark raving bonkers [1] a
while back, and the aeroplane got diverted to Ireland as a result?

[1] IANAdoctor

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27808624/
("Pilot has mid-flight mental breakdown")
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7217977.stm
("Pilot breakdown diverts flight")
From another report in www.ctvbc.ctv.ca :- "It said the pilot asked
the flight attendants to ask passengers if any of them was a qualified
pilot, but when none was found, one of the stewardesses revealed that
she held a current commercial pilot's licence and an out-of-date
licence for reading cockpit instruments."

It doesn't seem to have generated an investigation in either .ie or
..ca being described as a "medical emergency" WRT the emergency action
taken.