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Wafted from paradise to Luton Airport
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 09:10:58 on Sat, 24 Oct 2009, Buddenbrooks remarked: An employee returned late one day from the States, expected in next day early for a debrief meeting. Is killed on way to work, believed to have fallen asleep at the wheel. Company now allows taxis from home to work after long haul. This was not altruism, the company was being sued by the widow that the company failed in their duty of care in requiring an employee to work excessive hours and drive while unfit to do so. In which country(s) was the company, the widow and the lawsuit? UK, it was settled out of court with the usual non-disclosure agreement. In addition the company, which has several sites used to expect managers to drive 4 hours to a site do a days work and then drive back as required. They no longer allow this and pay for overnight accommodation. It had been pointed out that they were expecting staff to drive longer hours than would be permitted if they were driving as a job. I do not think there has been any court cases, so no precedent, but rumor had it that the company decided that they were of risk of liability should an accident occur. But it was also part of the 'cut travel costs' campaign and any travel has to be far more justified than in the past. 8 hours driving followed by a 4 hour meeting is a very expensive meeting. |
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:46:41 -0000, "Buddenbrooks"
wrote: In addition the company, which has several sites used to expect managers to drive 4 hours to a site do a days work and then drive back as required. They no longer allow this and pay for overnight accommodation. It had been pointed out that they were expecting staff to drive longer hours than would be permitted if they were driving as a job. I used to work for a company that expected employees to do the same. After the death of an employee who fell asleep at the wheel on his way home has now changed policy to insist on (1) an overnight stay, (2) no longer than a 13 hour shift including driving, and (3) a minimum 11 hour break before starting the next shift. I think one or both of the latter requirements was imposed by law. |
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In message , at 08:46:41 on Sun, 25
Oct 2009, Buddenbrooks remarked: 8 hours driving followed by a 4 hour meeting is a very expensive meeting. ObRail: I'm currently suffering a lot from 1.5hr meetings (the minimum practical, really) sandwiched between 3hrs each way getting to London and back Last Friday, for example: left home at 11am and got back at 6.30pm. Hence my frustration when the train company can't even be bothered to staff the buffet for my journey home. And before you chip in saying this is a lifestyle choice - those choices are made for us sometimes. -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... And before you chip in saying this is a lifestyle choice - those choices are made for us sometimes. -- The lack of service is not acceptable. Having a job involving a lot of international travel and living a long distance from Heathrow is a lifestyle choice. Probably a perfectly valid one. |
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In message , at 15:38:39 on Sun, 25
Oct 2009, Buddenbrooks remarked: And before you chip in saying this is a lifestyle choice - those choices are made for us sometimes. The lack of service is not acceptable. Having a job involving a lot of international travel and living a long distance from Heathrow is a lifestyle choice. I disagree on two levels. First of all, I can do all the long-haul international travel I need to, generally much cheaper, by starting at Birmingham and taking a hop to AMS/CDG/DXB. It's only an hour to BHX by car, and an hour checking is almost always OK. I'm not sure you could get onto a plane from LHR as quickly, even living in Hounslow. And I can satisfactorily do much of Europe (with the particular exception of BRU, and GVA is about to become more difficult) from EMA. I'm not sure there are many LHR-BRU flights either, and GVA is better served from LTN. Secondly, there is more to a lifestyle than being able to catch a plane from Heathrow. Especially where family is involved. Which is a weakness of "blokes on Usenet", as they tend to be self-selecting as not family men, with more to think about than their own convenience. -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 15:38:39 on Sun, 25 I disagree on two levels. ?? How can where you live be anything other than a lifestyle choice ? |
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Buddenbrooks wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 15:38:39 on Sun, 25 I disagree on two levels. ?? How can where you live be anything other than a lifestyle choice ? It can be forced by other factors. Soldiers don't get a choice, neither do certain other public employees in the UK. -- William Black "Any number under six" The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat single handed with a quarterstaff. |
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"William Black" wrote in message ... It can be forced by other factors. Soldiers don't get a choice, neither do certain other public employees in the UK. Job is generally a lifestyle choice. Most soldiers I know actually have a private house which will be home once they cease to be soldiers. Sufficiently common for special housing law to exist for them to gain vacant possession if they rent it out. |
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:01:26 -0000, "Buddenbrooks"
wrote: "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 15:38:39 on Sun, 25 I disagree on two levels. ?? How can where you live be anything other than a lifestyle choice ? I have to live within quick and easy reach of a particular hospital, a national centre of excellence in a particular field of medicine, which dictates a small area in which I have no realistic option but to live. Otherwise, I would have chosen to live elsewhere. |
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"Bruce" wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:01:26 -0000, "Buddenbrooks" I have to live within quick and easy reach of a particular hospital, a national centre of excellence in a particular field of medicine, which dictates a small area in which I have no realistic option but to live. Otherwise, I would have chosen to live elsewhere. OK, there are a few individuals who have their home location outside their control. Jobs control where you live but jobs are also a lifestyle choice. Some people will have more options so will have a wider choice. Most may go for the default option, but that is a choice. It may be that one aspect of someone's life totally dominates, but that does not mean that secondary aspects are not a choice. |
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