Basil Jet wrote:
David E Newton wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
David E Newton wrote:
We're about to move back into London from Hertfordshire and my gf
will need to commute from Walthamstow to Ware. This would be going
on the tube from Walthamstow to Tottenham Hale and then on the
National Express Hertford East line to Ware.
Season tickets are based on the cost of five day returns for people
commuting *towards* London... if you are commuting *away* from
London, day returns should be cheaper. I'd imagine that a tube
season for Zone 3 and day returns from Tottenham Hale to Ware may be
the cheapest option.
£8.50 * 22 = £187 + £44 PAYG = £231 is still lots more than the
cheapest (but weird) combination I found above

Okay, sorry, I don't know which site you're using so can't check my
suggestions.

Just the National Rail site.

I think you should also check
* Travelcard season 3-5 + day returns Brimsdown to Ware
* Travelcard season 3-5 + day returns Brimsdown to Hertford East.

Will do, ta.

I have a suspicion that using these tickets require that the train stops at
Brimsdown,

Not an issue - they all do.


but she is unlikely to have to actually take her bum off the
seat.

Of course - Oyster seasons, I guess they're still not required to touch
out. I wasn't thinking straight before.

The trains will be nearly empty anyway, if my experience of commuting
out to Hertford *North* some years ago is anything to go by.

Quite likely!

John @ home wrote:
On Oct 15, 8:45 pm, David E Newton wrote:
OPTION 3
Zone 3-5 Travelcard = £82.80/month
Monthly Season from Brimsdown to Hertford East = £94.80/month
TOTAL = £177.10
Again, there's the Brimsdown problem but look at the crazy price on the
season ticket. If you buy a season all the way to Hertford East but
always alight at Ware, one stop earlier, the season is £60 cheaper.

There are two monthly seasons between Brimsdown and Hertford East in
the National Fares Manual NFM 04 CD:
Route "Any Permitted": £146 monthly. No Restriction Applies
Route "Flexitime": £94.90 monthly. "Restriction : ES
LER HERTS & ESSEX FLEXITIME SEASON
Tickets are subject to the same issuing procedures as other Season
tickets.
Availability: In the country-bound direction travel is permitted on
any train on any day. In the London-bound direction, travel is only
permitted on trains timed to depart after 1200 (midday) on Mondays to
Fridays No restriction applies on Saturdays, Sundays and Bank
Holidays."

So, does anyone have any idea what the most sensible thing to do for
this journey is please?

If your partner is able to meet the time restriction, then the
Flexitime season may well form part of the best option.

Excellent, though I'm not sure what the difference was between the
£94.80 I found and this £94.90. The NR seasons page just gave the one
option.

It'll be a bit of a shag buying multiple tickets (though she may go
annual) but for the price difference, probably worth it and she'll
probably stick some PAYG on the Oyster for going into Zone 1-2 at weekends.

asdf wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:12:41 GMT, Neil Williams wrote:

Availability: In the country-bound direction travel is permitted on
any train on any day. In the London-bound direction, travel is only
permitted on trains timed to depart after 1200 (midday) on Mondays to
Fridays No restriction applies on Saturdays, Sundays and Bank
Holidays."
Well... if I'd read this before my other post. Seems that they
already do do such a season ticket.

But only for certain journeys - there's a Flexitime season for
Brimsdown to Hertford East, as mentioned, but not for Brimsdown to
Ware, or Tottenham Hale to Hertford East, or Hertford East to R3456.
This seems very odd.

The other odd thing I found is that tickets from the Hertford North line
(e.g. Palmers Green) into Hertford North are massively cheaper than
those on the Hertford East line. I wonder why this is (The other plan
was to live in Palmers Green or Ally Pally and then cycle across from
Hertford North to Ware.)

In uk.transport.london David E Newton wrote:
It'll be a bit of a shag buying multiple tickets (though she may go
annual) but for the price difference, probably worth it and she'll
probably stick some PAYG on the Oyster for going into Zone 1-2 at weekends.

I'm no expert, but am I right in also thinking that having a travelcard
season also allows free use of buses in all zones? That would be an
advantage over getting a strictly point-point rail season.

THeo

"Theo Markettos" wrote

I'm no expert, but am I right in also thinking that having a travelcard
season also allows free use of buses in all zones? That would be an
advantage over getting a strictly point-point rail season.

Yes

Peter

In uk.railway Peter Masson wrote:
"Theo Markettos" wrote

I'm no expert, but am I right in also thinking that having a travelcard
season also allows free use of buses in all zones? That would be an
advantage over getting a strictly point-point rail season.

Yes

And, if you do buy an annual, for the rail bit you can get a Gold Card which
gives 1/3 off most off-peak tickets, plus a network card for a friend for 1
pound.

(Do NXEA give any further Gold Card benefits?)

Theo

Just to top-postedly follow myself up on this for future Googlage, I
managed to grab a quick word with one of the NXEA grippers this morning
and asked him if a Z345 period Travelcard on Oyster combined with a
Brimsdown to Hertford East season would be valid to commute from
Tottenham to Ware.

He said he couldn't think of any reason why not and said yes when I
asked if he could be quoted on it :-)

He did say he'd never thought of or come across it before though, which
is odd considering it saves about £700 a year.




David E Newton wrote:
Hello all,

We're about to move back into London from Hertfordshire and my gf will
need to commute from Walthamstow to Ware. This would be going on the
tube from Walthamstow to Tottenham Hale and then on the National Express
Hertford East line to Ware.

However, trying to figure out the prices is coming up with some right
anomalies, so we're trying to figure out a way which is (a) cheaper than
other ways, (b) legal and (c) practical (e.g. no jumping off trains to
touch on a reader and then jumping back on the train)

OPTION 1

PAYG Oyster from Walthamstow to Tottenham Hale = £44/month
Monthly Season from Tottenham Hale to Ware = £199.70/month
TOTAL = £243.70


OPTION 2

Zone 3-5 Travelcard = £82.80/month
Monthly Season from Brimsdown to Ware = £146/month
TOTAL = £248.80

Brimsdown being the last stop before Z5 boundary but this would only
work if one could get a paper Travelcard or else you'd have to jump off
and on. This is more expensive and we're not looking at this option but
just compare it to Option 3 below.

OPTION 3

Zone 3-5 Travelcard = £82.80/month
Monthly Season from Brimsdown to Hertford East = £94.80/month
TOTAL = £177.10

Again, there's the Brimsdown problem but look at the crazy price on the
season ticket. If you buy a season all the way to Hertford East but
always alight at Ware, one stop earlier, the season is £60 cheaper. From
what I can understand, you're allowed to do this, which is why buying a
season to Hertford instead of Ware is something we're considering.


So, does anyone have any idea what the most sensible thing to do for
this journey is please?

Thanks in advance,

Dave

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:08:17 +0100, David E Newton
wrote:

Just to top-postedly follow myself up on this for future Googlage, I
managed to grab a quick word with one of the NXEA grippers this morning
and asked him if a Z345 period Travelcard on Oyster combined with a
Brimsdown to Hertford East season would be valid to commute from
Tottenham to Ware.

He said he couldn't think of any reason why not and said yes when I
asked if he could be quoted on it :-)

Given that season tickets are valid at intermediate stations along any
permitted route between the two points on the ticket, I can't see a
problem with it - so long as the train stops at the point you change
from one ticket to the other, as the exceptions that allow it not to
don't apply to your case.

Neil

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Neil Williams wrote:
so long as the train stops at the point you change
from one ticket to the other, as the exceptions that allow it not to
don't apply to your case.

Thanks - all HFE-TOM and even HFE-SRA trains stop at Brimsdown, so that
should be cool.

And to save the monthly hassle, she's planning to get an annual for each
anyway.