On Oct 24, 6:47*pm, "Joseph D. Korman" wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
On Oct 24, 5:22 pm, "Joseph D. Korman" wrote:

Peter T. Daniels wrote:

On Oct 24, 1:24 pm, "Joseph D. Korman" wrote:

Peter T. Daniels wrote:

exiting in Rockaway required a token. Entering in Rockaway required
two tokens.

There was some sort of paper transfer for people who were traveling
within the Rockaways (described here within the last few weeks).

Here's a scan of the transfer:http://www.thejoekorner.com/transfers/rockline.gif

The local passenger still paid the double fare. *Paid three on entering
and got one back on the exit. *This was to protect the then private bus
company from 'unfair' competition from the city owned subway line.

How did they get the third token from the local traveler?

We had a "bungalow" there in 1955 or 1956 (whichever summer the major
hurricane threatened, so we had to leave ahead of schedule), and I
remember the double fare.

The back of the transfer explains it. *You 'buy' the transfer from the
RR Clerk plus the two token to get into the system. *When you leave the
system, you turn in the transfer and the clerk lets you out without
using the turnstile. *You got your choice of either the cash fare or a
token.

Explain the logic? You can either spend three tokens (two to get in
and one to get out) or two tokens plus the price of one token, plus
having to deal with a piece of paper to get out?

How does this benefit anyone -- TA, passenger (they weren't
"customers" yet), or local bus company?

You *miss the point, local riding by subway still cost two fares. *The
bus took longer to travel, at least between the end stations and
Hammel's Wye. *The thought was, if the subway charged the same fare, the
bus company would lose riders.

At the time the transfers I posted were sold, the fare was 20 cents. *
You paid 60 to get on and got back 20, net fare 40 cents. *The bus
charged 20 cents.

Hunh? Someone hands you two dimes when you leave? What's the point of
buying the transfer and selling it back, rather than just taking a
transfer and handing it in when you exit, as they do in Seattle? In
Seattle, riding downtown is free, so you pay when boarding outside
downtown, or when exiting outside downtown -- and if you're passing
through and coming out the other side, you get a "transfer" when you
board and pay, and hand that in instead of paying when you exit.

(Well, that's how it worked in 1984. The last time I was in Seattle, a
few years ago, it didn't come up, but the bus was still free downtown.)

Hunh? Someone hands you two dimes when you leave? What's the point of
buying the transfer and selling it back, rather than just taking a
transfer and handing it in when you exit, as they do in Seattle? In
Seattle, riding downtown is free, so you pay when boarding outside
downtown, or when exiting outside downtown -- and if you're passing
through and coming out the other side, you get a "transfer" when you
board and pay, and hand that in instead of paying when you exit.

If they gave you an exit transfer for no charge, you could be a non-local
passenger and ask for the transfer and give it to someone else who could
then exit for free (not at your entry station, probably).

By charging you for it when you enter, they guarantee that you'll only buy
it if (a) you're going to use it to exit, or (b) someone will buy it from
you (which makes no sense).