On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:23:23 -0800 (PST), Mr Thant wrote:

AIUI the new timetable changes the 7 tph H&C and 7 tph Circle into 6
tph each, meaning 12 tph departures from Hammersmith.

If so, the publicity is very deceptive. It touts increased Circle
reliability without mentioning any frequency decrease.

asdf wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:23:23 -0800 (PST), Mr Thant wrote:

AIUI the new timetable changes the 7 tph H&C and 7 tph Circle into 6
tph each, meaning 12 tph departures from Hammersmith.

If so, the publicity is very deceptive. It touts increased Circle
reliability without mentioning any frequency decrease.

How unreliable has the Circle been? Might the planned 6tph actually be no
less than has typically been achieved?

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(MIG) wrote:

On 10 Nov, 16:54, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Mr Thant wrote:
The map in the leaflet has both the Thames and the Hammersmith &
City Line:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/4074872504/

Here's the map at KXSP:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mjs/4089297930/

(I don't think any new poster network maps or map leaflets are in
circulation yet)

AIUI the new timetable changes the 7 tph H&C and 7 tph Circle into 6
tph each, meaning 12 tph departures from Hammersmith.

I think I've lost track of that aspect. Weren't there at one time
supposed to be some slight changes to the Met and District to maintain
numbers along the north and south sides of the common routes as well?

Which reminds me of something that doesn't seem to have been discussed
much. Is part of the real rationale for this to persuade pax from the
Kings Cross area, heading for the south western extremities of the
network, to stop using Earls Court or Gloucester Rd when changing?
*Most publicity just dwells on the better service to Hammersmith
H&C, without trying to explainhow that helps pax overall, IYSWIM...

It still wouldn't make it a better option than the Piccadilly.

It has been a better option when I have luggage and want to travel between
Putney and King's Cross! I can change same-platform with only the East
Putney stairs to negotiate and no long detours to use lifts (as at Earls
Court). All going 13 December unless I change twice and/or am lucky at
Edgware Road.

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(Walter Briscoe) wrote:

The leaflet at stations has a map which improves current Tube maps - 2
distinct Edgware Road stations and the river. I have failed to find a
pdf of the leaflet on the web. The nearest is
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/13280.aspx.
One point in that URL that seems contentious to me is "Travelling to
or from Paddington All trains via King's Cross St. Pancras will run
from the Hammersmith & City line station - with a more frequent
service."
If they change to "Travelling from Paddington ...", truth would be
told.

Er, it does mean to and from Paddington. Forget easy access to the Lawn
from December.

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(Basil Jet) wrote:

wrote:

That won't be possible after 13 December. There will be no guaranteed
step-free route from Earl's Court to King's Cross.

Yes there will - the Circles will all terminate alongside the
Barkingbound platform, and the Wimblewares will all terminate
alongside the Hammersmithbound platform. (Or was it the other way
around?)

So, two changes will be necessary for step-free access from the Wimbledon
branch to King's Cross? It's not what the TfL Journey Planner is saying
(in either direction)!

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(Basil Jet) wrote:

wrote:

That won't be possible after 13 December. There will be no
guaranteed step-free route from Earl's Court to King's Cross.

Yes there will - the Circles will all terminate alongside the
Barkingbound platform, and the Wimblewares will all terminate
alongside the Hammersmithbound platform. (Or was it the other way
around?)

So, two changes will be necessary for step-free access from the
Wimbledon branch to King's Cross?

Or one change at Temple.

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:26:26 -0000, "Basil Jet"
wrote:

How unreliable has the Circle been? Might the planned 6tph actually be no
less than has typically been achieved?

Very - 20-minute plus gaps and bunched trains are extremely common, so
an actual, regular 10-minute frequency, if they manage to achieve it,
will be a definite improvement.

Neil

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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:41:09 -0600,
wrote:

One point in that URL that seems contentious to me is "Travelling to
or from Paddington All trains via King's Cross St. Pancras will run
from the Hammersmith & City line station - with a more frequent
service."
If they change to "Travelling from Paddington ...", truth would be
told.

Er, it does mean to and from Paddington. Forget easy access to the Lawn
from December.

But there won't be a frequency increase in the Kings Cross to
Paddington direction - there will actually be a slight frequency
decrease.

On 11 Nov, 01:41, wrote:
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(MIG) wrote:
On 10 Nov, 16:54, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Mr Thant wrote:
The map in the leaflet has both the Thames and the Hammersmith &
City Line:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/4074872504/

Here's the map at KXSP:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mjs/4089297930/

(I don't think any new poster network maps or map leaflets are in
circulation yet)

AIUI the new timetable changes the 7 tph H&C and 7 tph Circle into 6
tph each, meaning 12 tph departures from Hammersmith.

I think I've lost track of that aspect. Weren't there at one time
supposed to be some slight changes to the Met and District to maintain
numbers along the north and south sides of the common routes as well?

Which reminds me of something that doesn't seem to have been discussed
much. Is part of the real rationale for this to persuade pax from the
Kings Cross area, heading for the south western extremities of the
network, to stop using Earls Court or Gloucester Rd when changing?
*Most publicity just dwells on the better service to Hammersmith
H&C, without trying to explainhow that helps pax overall, IYSWIM...

It still wouldn't make it a better option than the Piccadilly.

It has been a better option when I have luggage and want to travel between
Putney and King's Cross! I can change same-platform with only the East
Putney stairs to negotiate and no long detours to use lifts (as at Earls
Court). All going 13 December unless I change twice and/or am lucky at
Edgware Road.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Yes, of course, but the increased service on the Hammersmith line is
of no relevance to that journey.

I assumed that he was talking about journeys to Hammersmith or further
west, for which the Piccadilly would always be best, despite an
increased frequency for changing at Hammersmith. Probably less stairs
at Kings Cross and cross-platform interchanges at Barons Court onwards.

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(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:26:26 -0000, "Basil Jet"
wrote:

How unreliable has the Circle been? Might the planned 6tph
actually be no less than has typically been achieved?

Very - 20-minute plus gaps and bunched trains are extremely common, so
an actual, regular 10-minute frequency, if they manage to achieve it,
will be a definite improvement.

Not my experience on the occasions when I have relied on it. OTOH the
departure indicators at Edgware Road are a nightmare so the less often I
have to change there the better.

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Colin Rosenstiel