Heathrow Connect doesn't accept Oyster cards (between Heathrow and
Hayes & Harlington). So what's the recommended method to make a journey
between Heathrow and somewhere in Oysterland, for example Stratford changing
to/from the Central at Ealing Broadway?

1. Buy paper ticket LHR to Ealing, touch in at Ealing, change to Central line
2. Paper LHR to H&H, jump off train, touch validator, dive back on again
3. Westbound only: Paper travelcard plus BZ6 to LHR (does that exist?).[1]
4. Westbound only: Paper travelcard (eg Z1-3) plus Ealing to LHR addon

Where are the 'touch in' points at H&H - is (2) likely to happen without
waiting half an hour for the next train? Similarly, is a 'touch in' at
Ealing easy without coming all the way out of the station and going back in
again?

To make life more confusing, the Network Railcard discount applies to H.Conn
tickets on weekends, but not to Oyster. Presumably there's no 'LHR to BZ6'
ticket either (no, can't find one).

[1] Hmm, BZ6 to LHR does exist:
http://www.brfares.com/#fares?orig=0...&rlc=%20%20%20
but it's more expensive (6.00) than H&H to LHR (5.20). OTOH BZ3 to LHR
http://www.brfares.com/#fares?orig=0...&rlc=%20%20%20
is cheaper (6.60 v 7.40) than Ealing to LHR.

And paper travelcards are quite expensive if you're only making one journey.
Would be cheaper to get a paper single, if you can get a Z1-3 single at LHR
(and the gates don't complain that it's never been previously seen)

Any better ideas?

Sigh. If only Heathrow Connect was 'zone 99' or something, would make life
a lot easier.

Theo

Theo Markettos wrote on 20 January
2013 17:35:08 ...
Heathrow Connect doesn't accept Oyster cards (between Heathrow and
Hayes & Harlington). So what's the recommended method to make a journey
between Heathrow and somewhere in Oysterland, for example Stratford changing
to/from the Central at Ealing Broadway?

1. Buy paper ticket LHR to Ealing, touch in at Ealing, change to Central line
2. Paper LHR to H&H, jump off train, touch validator, dive back on again
3. Westbound only: Paper travelcard plus BZ6 to LHR (does that exist?).[1]
4. Westbound only: Paper travelcard (eg Z1-3) plus Ealing to LHR addon

Where are the 'touch in' points at H&H - is (2) likely to happen without
waiting half an hour for the next train? Similarly, is a 'touch in' at
Ealing easy without coming all the way out of the station and going back in
again?

To make life more confusing, the Network Railcard discount applies to H.Conn
tickets on weekends, but not to Oyster. Presumably there's no 'LHR to BZ6'
ticket either (no, can't find one).

[1] Hmm, BZ6 to LHR does exist:
http://www.brfares.com/#fares?orig=0...&rlc=%20%20%20
but it's more expensive (6.00) than H&H to LHR (5.20). OTOH BZ3 to LHR
http://www.brfares.com/#fares?orig=0...&rlc=%20%20%20
is cheaper (6.60 v 7.40) than Ealing to LHR.

And paper travelcards are quite expensive if you're only making one journey.
Would be cheaper to get a paper single, if you can get a Z1-3 single at LHR
(and the gates don't complain that it's never been previously seen)

Any better ideas?

Sigh. If only Heathrow Connect was 'zone 99' or something, would make life
a lot easier.

Theo

Why do you want to use Connect anyway? It runs only every 30 minutes,
and only from the T1&3 station. Take the Piccadilly Line from whichever
terminal you arrive at and change somewhere, e.g. at Holborn if you're
going to Stratford.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

In article ,
(Theo Markettos) wrote:

Heathrow Connect doesn't accept Oyster cards (between Heathrow and
Hayes & Harlington). So what's the recommended method to make a journey
between Heathrow and somewhere in Oysterland, for example Stratford
changing to/from the Central at Ealing Broadway?

1. Buy paper ticket LHR to Ealing, touch in at Ealing, change to
Central line
2. Paper LHR to H&H, jump off train, touch validator, dive back on again
3. Westbound only: Paper travelcard plus BZ6 to LHR (does that
exist?).[1]
4. Westbound only: Paper travelcard (eg Z1-3) plus Ealing to LHR addon

Where are the 'touch in' points at H&H - is (2) likely to happen without
waiting half an hour for the next train? Similarly, is a 'touch in' at
Ealing easy without coming all the way out of the station and going back
in again?

To make life more confusing, the Network Railcard discount applies to
H.Conn tickets on weekends, but not to Oyster. Presumably there's no
'LHR to BZ6' ticket either (no, can't find one).

[1] Hmm, BZ6 to LHR does exist:
http://www.brfares.com/#fares?orig=0...&rlc=%20%20%20
but it's more expensive (6.00) than H&H to LHR (5.20). OTOH BZ3 to LHR
http://www.brfares.com/#fares?orig=0...&rlc=%20%20%20
is cheaper (6.60 v 7.40) than Ealing to LHR.

BZ6 to LHR is presumably for journeys from the west outside Greater London,
not for Heathrow Connect from H&H.

And paper travelcards are quite expensive if you're only making one
journey. Would be cheaper to get a paper single, if you can get a
Z1-3 single at LHR
(and the gates don't complain that it's never been previously seen)

Any better ideas?

Sigh. If only Heathrow Connect was 'zone 99' or something, would make
life a lot easier.

Indeed. As I keep saying it's high time the evil nonsense of the BAA (or
whatever it's called this week) monopoly was brought to an end. It should be
incorporated into the London public transport network like pretty well every
other airport train service in the world.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

Theo Markettos wrote on 20
January 2013 17:35:08 ...
Heathrow Connect doesn't accept Oyster cards (between Heathrow and
Hayes & Harlington). So what's the recommended method to make a journey
between Heathrow and somewhere in Oysterland, for example Stratford
changing to/from the Central at Ealing Broadway?

1. Buy paper ticket LHR to Ealing, touch in at Ealing, change to
Central line
2. Paper LHR to H&H, jump off train, touch validator, dive back on again
3. Westbound only: Paper travelcard plus BZ6 to LHR (does that
exist?).[1]
4. Westbound only: Paper travelcard (eg Z1-3) plus Ealing to LHR addon

Where are the 'touch in' points at H&H - is (2) likely to happen without
waiting half an hour for the next train? Similarly, is a 'touch in' at
Ealing easy without coming all the way out of the station and going back
in again?

To make life more confusing, the Network Railcard discount applies to
H.Conn tickets on weekends, but not to Oyster. Presumably there's no
'LHR to BZ6' ticket either (no, can't find one).

[1] Hmm, BZ6 to LHR does exist:
http://www.brfares.com/#fares?orig=0...&rlc=%20%20%20
but it's more expensive (6.00) than H&H to LHR (5.20). OTOH BZ3 to LHR
http://www.brfares.com/#fares?orig=0...&rlc=%20%20%20
is cheaper (6.60 v 7.40) than Ealing to LHR.

And paper travelcards are quite expensive if you're only making one
journey. Would be cheaper to get a paper single, if you can get a Z1-3
single at LHR (and the gates don't complain that it's never been
previously seen)

Any better ideas?

Sigh. If only Heathrow Connect was 'zone 99' or something, would make
life a lot easier.

Why do you want to use Connect anyway? It runs only every 30
minutes, and only from the T1&3 station. Take the Piccadilly Line
from whichever terminal you arrive at and change somewhere, e.g. at
Holborn if you're going to Stratford.

The Piccadilly Line is only going as far as Acton Town from Heathrow at
weekends this month and I gather some are only going as far as Northfields.
It would have been nice if Heathrow Connect to Ealing Broadway had been
offered as an alternative by extending Oyster validity for the duration.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 12:35:23
on Sun, 20 Jan 2013, remarked:
As I keep saying it's high time the evil nonsense of the BAA (or
whatever it's called this week) monopoly was brought to an end. It should be
incorporated into the London public transport network

Given that BAA paid for it to be built, are you prepared to buy it off
them at cost (or some other larger figure)?

like pretty well every other airport train service in the world.

You are sorely mistaken. Premium (extra cost) services to airports are
very much the norm.
--
Roland Perry

wrote:
In article ,
(Theo Markettos) wrote:
[1] Hmm, BZ6 to LHR does exist:
http://www.brfares.com/#fares?orig=0...&rlc=%20%20%20
but it's more expensive (6.00) than H&H to LHR (5.20). OTOH BZ3 to LHR
http://www.brfares.com/#fares?orig=0...&rlc=%20%20%20
is cheaper (6.60 v 7.40) than Ealing to LHR.

BZ6 to LHR is presumably for journeys from the west outside Greater London,
not for Heathrow Connect from H&H.

Possibly, I'd fail to twig that H&H is in zone 5 not zone 6. Though BZ5 to
LHR is the same price as BZ6.

I'd also failed to spot that West Ealing (zone 3 west of Ealing Broadway) is
7.40, which makes sense of the BZ3 fare.

Sigh. If only Heathrow Connect was 'zone 99' or something, would make
life a lot easier.

Indeed. As I keep saying it's high time the evil nonsense of the BAA (or
whatever it's called this week) monopoly was brought to an end. It should be
incorporated into the London public transport network like pretty well every
other airport train service in the world.

Charge a special fare for HConn if you really must, but all this messing
about with paper tickets just gets silly...

BTW, anyone know what the interchange at Ealing Broadway is like between
HConn and Central? It's an over-footbridge job isn't it?

Theo

wrote:
The Piccadilly Line is only going as far as Acton Town from Heathrow at
weekends this month and I gather some are only going as far as Northfields.
It would have been nice if Heathrow Connect to Ealing Broadway had been
offered as an alternative by extending Oyster validity for the duration.

Indeed, /and/ the northern Circle/H&C/Met/etc are out too on some days, so
HEx isn't much use either.

Theo

On 20/01/2013 18:29, Richard J. wrote:
Theo Markettos wrote on 20 January
2013 17:35:08 ...
Heathrow Connect doesn't accept Oyster cards (between Heathrow and
Hayes & Harlington). So what's the recommended method to make a journey
between Heathrow and somewhere in Oysterland, for example Stratford
changing
to/from the Central at Ealing Broadway?

1. Buy paper ticket LHR to Ealing, touch in at Ealing, change to
Central line
2. Paper LHR to H&H, jump off train, touch validator, dive back on again
3. Westbound only: Paper travelcard plus BZ6 to LHR (does that
exist?).[1]
4. Westbound only: Paper travelcard (eg Z1-3) plus Ealing to LHR addon

Where are the 'touch in' points at H&H - is (2) likely to happen without
waiting half an hour for the next train? Similarly, is a 'touch in' at
Ealing easy without coming all the way out of the station and going
back in
again?

To make life more confusing, the Network Railcard discount applies to
H.Conn
tickets on weekends, but not to Oyster. Presumably there's no 'LHR to
BZ6'
ticket either (no, can't find one).

[1] Hmm, BZ6 to LHR does exist:
http://www.brfares.com/#fares?orig=0...&rlc=%20%20%20
but it's more expensive (6.00) than H&H to LHR (5.20). OTOH BZ3 to LHR
http://www.brfares.com/#fares?orig=0...&rlc=%20%20%20
is cheaper (6.60 v 7.40) than Ealing to LHR.

And paper travelcards are quite expensive if you're only making one
journey.
Would be cheaper to get a paper single, if you can get a Z1-3 single
at LHR
(and the gates don't complain that it's never been previously seen)

Any better ideas?

Sigh. If only Heathrow Connect was 'zone 99' or something, would make
life
a lot easier.

Theo

Why do you want to use Connect anyway? It runs only every 30 minutes,
and only from the T1&3 station. Take the Piccadilly Line from whichever
terminal you arrive at and change somewhere, e.g. at Holborn if you're
going to Stratford.


You could also change to the Jubilee Line for Stratford at Green Park,
which has step-free access.

On 20 Jan 2013 19:48:02 +0000 (GMT), Theo Markettos
wrote:

wrote:
In article ,
(Theo Markettos) wrote:
[1] Hmm, BZ6 to LHR does exist:
http://www.brfares.com/#fares?orig=0...&rlc=%20%20%20
but it's more expensive (6.00) than H&H to LHR (5.20). OTOH BZ3 to LHR
http://www.brfares.com/#fares?orig=0...&rlc=%20%20%20
is cheaper (6.60 v 7.40) than Ealing to LHR.

BZ6 to LHR is presumably for journeys from the west outside Greater London,
not for Heathrow Connect from H&H.

Possibly, I'd fail to twig that H&H is in zone 5 not zone 6. Though BZ5 to
LHR is the same price as BZ6.

I'd also failed to spot that West Ealing (zone 3 west of Ealing Broadway) is
7.40, which makes sense of the BZ3 fare.

Sigh. If only Heathrow Connect was 'zone 99' or something, would make
life a lot easier.

Indeed. As I keep saying it's high time the evil nonsense of the BAA (or
whatever it's called this week) monopoly was brought to an end. It should be
incorporated into the London public transport network like pretty well every
other airport train service in the world.

Charge a special fare for HConn if you really must, but all this messing
about with paper tickets just gets silly...

BTW, anyone know what the interchange at Ealing Broadway is like between
HConn and Central? It's an over-footbridge job isn't it?

Theo

Yes.
Rgds
JonH

"Theo Markettos" wrote in message
...

BTW, anyone know what the interchange at Ealing Broadway is like between
HConn and Central? It's an over-footbridge job isn't it?

If you are coming from Heathrow it should be a level interchange from
platform 4 to the Central line platforms. Going to Heathrow would require
using the footbridge.

http://nationalrail.co.uk/stations/sjp/EAL/plan.html

Peter Smyth