Basic question I know, but if you hold a monthly Travelcard on Oyster from
zones 1-3 and you want to travel to zone 5, do you just add a few PAYG quid
to the card to cover the additional fare?

Thanks,

Ian

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Ian F. wrote:
Basic question I know, but if you hold a monthly Travelcard on Oyster
from zones 1-3 and you want to travel to zone 5, do you just add a few
PAYG quid to the card to cover the additional fare?

Thanks,

Ian

That should do it.

You can also just touch out, and the amount will be debited to your
card. But you won't be able to re-enter the system until you have paid
the card's debt.

In message , Ian F.
writes

Basic question I know, but if you hold a monthly Travelcard on Oyster
from zones 1-3 and you want to travel to zone 5, do you just add a few
PAYG quid to the card to cover the additional fare?

Yes, but note that from 2/1/2010 you will also need to load an Oyster
Extension Permit if you are travelling beyond Zone 3 on National Rail.

--
Paul Terry

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...

When entering the system outside of your zonal validity then the gate or
validator will make the appropriate deduction of an entry charge as if
the journey was being done on PAYG entirely. Therefore there is no need
for an OEP to be present (as I understand matters).

That's how I read it from the various 'official' info sources.

And if OEPs definitely are only a 'directional' requirement, (ie in zones to
out) it does suggest that some of the perceived problems discussed here,
such as a lack of ability to load an OEP 'out in the sticks' at TOC
stations, are not going to be as widespread as some posters seem to
assume...

Someone with a zonal season who fails to touch in at an origin outside his
zones will just be travelling without a ticket exactly as now and will be
taking the same risk of a PF as he does now...

Paul S

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 13:14:14 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:


"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
. ..

When entering the system outside of your zonal validity then the gate or
validator will make the appropriate deduction of an entry charge as if
the journey was being done on PAYG entirely. Therefore there is no need
for an OEP to be present (as I understand matters).

That's how I read it from the various 'official' info sources.

It certainly reads like that from the TfL pages. It seems it isn't
terribly clear in people's heads as there is a Mayor's question on
exactly this issue next week.

http://www.london.gov.uk/mqt/public/...on.do?id=29203

Someone doesn't understand how it works.


She really ought to try posting some of her questions here. IIRC there have
already been a few that could have been answered by refering to information
already in the public domain...

Paul S

On 13 Dec, 13:00, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:57:28 -0000, "Ian F."

[1] I have no idea whether "NR lines" are differentiated for OEP
purposes in the same way that they will be differentiated in terms of
charging rates. Lines currently valid for PAYG stay on the TfL tariff
next year but the lines being added to the system (primarily but not
entirely south of the river) are on the NR tariff.
--
Paul C

The rule will be:
If you are travelling outside the zones of your Travelcard(s) on a
National Rail train, you must load an OEP before boarding that train.

Two examples:

1)

Z1-2 Travelcard on Oyster card
Liverpool Street NR to Stratford
OEP set before entry
Mixed Travel Entry charge deducted on entry
balance adjusted on exit according to the NR only Z3 NR extension fare
(which will be the same as the Z3 NR pay as you go charge)
NB this will technically be the TfL Z3 fare (because the route
currently accepts payg) but will be capped at the NR fare
OEP removed by exit touch

2)

Z2-6 Travelcard on Oyster card
Elephant and Castle NR to Kentish Town
OEP set before entry
Mixed Travel Entry charge deducted on entry
balance adjusted on exit to reflect Z1 NR only extension fare (which
will be the same as the Z1 NR only Oyster pay as you go fare)
OEP removed by exit touch

wrote in message
...

That should do it.

Reading all the replies, I suppose I should have pointed out that the
extension to the Oyster Travelcard is to be used on NR where PAYG is not
accepted yet.

Seems this will make a difference. I assume I'll need a paper extension
(boundary zone 3 zone5).

Ian

On 13 Dec, 13:00, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:57:28 -0000, "Ian F."

[1] I have no idea whether "NR lines" are differentiated for OEP
purposes in the same way that they will be differentiated in terms of
charging rates. Lines currently valid for PAYG stay on the TfL tariff
next year but the lines being added to the system (primarily but not
entirely south of the river) are on the NR tariff.
--
Paul C

The rule will be:
If you are travelling outside the zones of your Travelcard(s) on a
National Rail train, you must load an OEP and touch in before boarding
that train

Two examples:

1)

Z1-2 Travelcard on Oyster card
Liverpool Street NR to Stratford
OEP set before entry
Mixed Travel Entry charge deducted on entry
balance adjusted on exit according to the NR only Z3 NR extension fare
(which will be the same as the Z3 NR pay as you go charge)
NB this will technically be the TfL Z3 fare (because the route
currently accepts payg) but will be capped at the NR fare
OEP removed by exit touch

2)

Z2-6 Travelcard on Oyster card
Elephant and Castle NR to Kentish Town
OEP set before entry
Mixed Travel Entry charge deducted on entry
balance adjusted on exit to reflect Z1 NR only extension fare (which
will be the same as the Z1 NR only Oyster pay as you go fare)
OEP removed by exit touch

"JD" wrote in message
...
On 13 Dec, 13:00, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:57:28 -0000, "Ian F."

[1] I have no idea whether "NR lines" are differentiated for OEP
purposes in the same way that they will be differentiated in terms of
charging rates. Lines currently valid for PAYG stay on the TfL tariff
next year but the lines being added to the system (primarily but not
entirely south of the river) are on the NR tariff.
--
Paul C

The rule will be:
If you are travelling outside the zones of your Travelcard(s) on a
National Rail train, you must load an OEP before boarding that train.

No, you only need an OEP if you are starting within the zones of your
Travelcard and then travelling outside your zones.

2)

Z2-6 Travelcard on Oyster card
Elephant and Castle NR to Kentish Town
OEP set before entry
Mixed Travel Entry charge deducted on entry
balance adjusted on exit to reflect Z1 NR only extension fare (which
will be the same as the Z1 NR only Oyster pay as you go fare)
OEP removed by exit touch

In this case you are touching in outside your zones, so an Entry charge
will be deducted whether you have an OEP or not.

Peter Smyth

On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:23:41 -0000, Peter Smyth wrote:

2)

Z2-6 Travelcard on Oyster card
Elephant and Castle NR to Kentish Town
OEP set before entry
Mixed Travel Entry charge deducted on entry
balance adjusted on exit to reflect Z1 NR only extension fare (which
will be the same as the Z1 NR only Oyster pay as you go fare)
OEP removed by exit touch

In this case you are touching in outside your zones, so an Entry charge
will be deducted whether you have an OEP or not.

Elephant & Castle is on the Z1/2 boundary, so it's not outside the
zones of the Travelcard.