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Edgware Road: The interchange from hell
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terchange-from-hell.do TfL can't say they weren't warned! -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On Dec 23, 12:24*am, (Neil Williams)
wrote: On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:29:01 -0600, wrote: I'm appalled and disgusted that the manifold deficiencies in passenger information and facilities for people changing trains at Edgware Road were not addressed in the slightest before TfL destroyed the Circle Line. MX of the first week of it is that the Circle Line's atrocious punctuality did not appear to have improved much, though it would be genuinely interesting to see figures. But 6tph *nowhere near* fulfils the demand that exists on the Circle Line. Yes it does: not very many people want to use the Circle-specific bits. *Might it not actually be worth considering cutting other lines short (e.g. terminating more Met trains at Baker St) so that the Circle frequency can be increased? No. The core demand for passenger journeys is far greater between Metroland and the City than between Notting Hill and the City. The same applies for Essex-City journeys versus Liverpool St-Tower Hill journeys. *And could selective door opening be used to allow a decent train length to run on the Circle? Yes, this is part of the S-stock upgrade plans: 7-car S-stock trains the length of current District stock will run all District, H&C and Circle services. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:58:55 -0800 (PST), John B
wrote: Yes it does: not very many people want to use the Circle-specific bits. A very large number of people want to go beyond Aldgate, though - Tower Hill is a specific example (though perhaps education about how Aldgate is only ten minutes' walk would help more). So maybe the "backwards C" of the Circle Line has very high demand, while the left-hand side doesn't. Yes, this is part of the S-stock upgrade plans: 7-car S-stock trains the length of current District stock will run all District, H&C and Circle services. Good, as the current 5-car (I think) trains run on the Circle are completely inadequate. Does anyone know how quick the acceleration of the S-stock is? I think a lot more trains could be fitted into the existing track (thus giving scope for an increase in Circle frequency even without a decrease in other frequencies) if acceleration/deceleration and average running speed could be brought up to the level of, say, the Central Line. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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"Neil Williams" wrote in message ... Good, as the current 5-car (I think) trains run on the Circle are completely inadequate. 6 car - but of only 16m so seems quite short. A stock is 8 x 16m, D stock is 6 x 18.3m Does anyone know how quick the acceleration of the S-stock is? I think a lot more trains could be fitted into the existing track (thus giving scope for an increase in Circle frequency even without a decrease in other frequencies) if acceleration/deceleration and average running speed could be brought up to the level of, say, the Central Line. The end game in 2018 with S stock and new signalling is shown in that LU document posted a couple of weeks back: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...ce-Changes.pdf 32 tph peak on the north (8 H&C, 8 Circle, 16 Met) and south (24 District, 8 Circle) of the circle. So 8 tph Adgate to Tower Hill, 16 tph Edgware Rd - Baker St. Paul S |
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2009, John B wrote:
On Dec 23, 12:24*am, (Neil Williams) wrote: On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:29:01 -0600, wrote: I'm appalled and disgusted that the manifold deficiencies in passenger information and facilities for people changing trains at Edgware Road were not addressed in the slightest before TfL destroyed the Circle Line. MX of the first week of it is that the Circle Line's atrocious punctuality did not appear to have improved much, though it would be genuinely interesting to see figures. But 6tph *nowhere near* fulfils the demand that exists on the Circle Line. Yes it does: not very many people want to use the Circle-specific bits. Might it not actually be worth considering cutting other lines short (e.g. terminating more Met trains at Baker St) so that the Circle frequency can be increased? No. The core demand for passenger journeys is far greater between Metroland and the City than between Notting Hill and the City. The same applies for Essex-City journeys versus Liverpool St-Tower Hill journeys. I do wish people would stop referring to East London as Essex. As someone who is actually from Essex, it is highly distressing. Apart from that, bang on, of course! tom -- X is for ... EXECUTION! |
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On 23 Dec, 16:54, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009, John B wrote: On Dec 23, 12:24*am, (Neil Williams) wrote: On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:29:01 -0600, wrote: I'm appalled and disgusted that the manifold deficiencies in passenger information and facilities for people changing trains at Edgware Road were not addressed in the slightest before TfL destroyed the Circle Line. MX of the first week of it is that the Circle Line's atrocious punctuality did not appear to have improved much, though it would be genuinely interesting to see figures. But 6tph *nowhere near* fulfils the demand that exists on the Circle Line. Yes it does: not very many people want to use the Circle-specific bits. Might it not actually be worth considering cutting other lines short (e.g. terminating more Met trains at Baker St) so that the Circle frequency can be increased? No. The core demand for passenger journeys is far greater between Metroland and the City than between Notting Hill and the City. The same applies for Essex-City journeys versus Liverpool St-Tower Hill journeys.. I do wish people would stop referring to East London as Essex. As someone who is actually from Essex, it is highly distressing. Maybe if they did, they could stop referring to North London as East London at the same time. |
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On Dec 23, 4:54*pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009, John B wrote: On Dec 23, 12:24*am, (Neil Williams) wrote: On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:29:01 -0600, wrote: I'm appalled and disgusted that the manifold deficiencies in passenger information and facilities for people changing trains at Edgware Road were not addressed in the slightest before TfL destroyed the Circle Line. MX of the first week of it is that the Circle Line's atrocious punctuality did not appear to have improved much, though it would be genuinely interesting to see figures. But 6tph *nowhere near* fulfils the demand that exists on the Circle Line. Yes it does: not very many people want to use the Circle-specific bits. Might it not actually be worth considering cutting other lines short (e.g. terminating more Met trains at Baker St) so that the Circle frequency can be increased? No. The core demand for passenger journeys is far greater between Metroland and the City than between Notting Hill and the City. The same applies for Essex-City journeys versus Liverpool St-Tower Hill journeys.. I do wish people would stop referring to East London as Essex. As someone who is actually from Essex, it is highly distressing. Apart from that, bang on, of course! LAHNDON! ESSEX! LAHNDON! ESSEX! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKEBCG3iJtw You are, of course, right - I thought Upminster was outside GL boundaries, but it's LB Havering. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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