In article , (Paul
Terry) wrote:

No. They are needed when travelling on National Rail and using PAYG
to go beyond the validity of an Oyster travelcard.

That's curious - I use PAYG all the time when I'm Oystering, and have never once
been informed that my Oyster is invalid because I don't have an OEP on the way back
to St Margarets from Waterloo.

And I've been gripped a few times - they just ask me where I'm going.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

In message
p.homeip.net, at
11:44:00 on Sun, 7 Mar 2010, Paul Cummins
remarked:
No. They are needed when travelling on National Rail and using PAYG
to go beyond the validity of an Oyster travelcard.

That's curious - I use PAYG all the time when I'm Oystering, and have never once
been informed that my Oyster is invalid because I don't have an OEP on the way back
to St Margarets from Waterloo.

And I've been gripped a few times - they just ask me where I'm going.

Do you have a Travelcard on your Oyster that's valid to not further than
Zone 3 (St Margarets is in Zone 4).

The OEP is only required as a form of "permit to travel" (ahead of
paying when you exit) for your trip from the relevant Travelcard limit
(eg Putney, the furthest Z2 station) to St Margarets.
--
Roland Perry

On 7 Mar, 12:09, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
p.homeip.net, at
11:44:00 on Sun, 7 Mar 2010, Paul Cummins
remarked:

No. They are needed when travelling on National Rail and using PAYG
to go beyond the validity of an Oyster travelcard.

That's curious - I use PAYG all the time when I'm Oystering, and have never once
been informed that my Oyster is invalid because I don't have an OEP on the way back
to St Margarets from Waterloo.

And I've been gripped a few times - they just ask me where I'm going.

Do you have a Travelcard on your Oyster that's valid to not further than
Zone 3 (St Margarets is in Zone 4).

The OEP is only required as a form of "permit to travel" (ahead of
paying when you exit) for your trip from the relevant Travelcard limit
(eg Putney, the furthest Z2 station) to St Margarets.
--
Roland Perry

The total lack of logic with OEPs is demonstrated by the fact that if
you are gripped within the zones of your travelcard, there is no more
proof that you don't intend to go beyond your zones without touching
out than there would be if you were beyond your zones already. Nor
outside of the zones altogether.

No one with a valid ticket anywhere can prove that they don't intend
to travel to Thurso.

In message
, at
04:30:25 on Sun, 7 Mar 2010, MIG remarked:
On 7 Mar, 12:09, Roland Perry wrote:

No. They are needed when travelling on National Rail and using PAYG
to go beyond the validity of an Oyster travelcard.

That's curious - I use PAYG all the time when I'm Oystering, and
have never once
been informed that my Oyster is invalid because I don't have an OEP
on the way back
to St Margarets from Waterloo.

And I've been gripped a few times - they just ask me where I'm going.

Do you have a Travelcard on your Oyster that's valid to not further than
Zone 3 (St Margarets is in Zone 4).

The OEP is only required as a form of "permit to travel" (ahead of
paying when you exit) for your trip from the relevant Travelcard limit
(eg Putney, the furthest Z2 station) to St Margarets.

The total lack of logic with OEPs is demonstrated by the fact that if
you are gripped within the zones of your travelcard, there is no more
proof that you don't intend to go beyond your zones without touching
out than there would be if you were beyond your zones already. Nor
outside of the zones altogether.

No one with a valid ticket anywhere can prove that they don't intend
to travel to Thurso.

But in my example, you only need the OEP if you are gripped between
Putney and St Margarets.

I don't agree with the scheme (and the way it's publicised), but in this
respect it's no different to having a Season to Putney, and in your
pocket a single from Putney to St Margarets, and needing to show
different things depending on whether you are gripped before or after
Putney.

The issue, of course, is people who don't touch out at St Margarets and
therefore get a free ride from Putney. It's a real problem, even if OEPs
are maybe the wrong solution.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry) wrote:

Do you have a Travelcard on your Oyster that's valid to not further
than Zone 3 (St Margarets is in Zone 4).

No, it's purely PAYG - no actual tickets on it at all.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

"Paul Cummins" wrote in message
group.homeip.net...
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

Do you have a Travelcard on your Oyster that's valid to not further
than Zone 3 (St Margarets is in Zone 4).

No, it's purely PAYG - no actual tickets on it at all.

That then explains precisiely why the SWT grippers don't mention the lack of
OEPs on your journey - they only apply if travelcards are loaded.

If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise that your
reply at that point was completely useless, because they were extending a
travelcard beyond its validity...

Paul S

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise
that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they
were extending a travelcard beyond its validity...

Which also gos to show that the system is wrong, because it can't easily be
understood by the reasonable man.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

In message
p.homeip.net, Paul
Cummins writes

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise
that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they
were extending a travelcard beyond its validity...

Which also gos to show that the system is wrong, because it can't easily be
understood by the reasonable man.

It's not really that difficult. People have managed for years to
understand that an extension ticket is needed to go beyond their
travelcard zones.

Mind you, having said that, TfL have recently reported that only 3% of
the people who need an OEP are using them, while many people who don't
need an OEP are nevertheless loading them.
--
Paul Terry

In message , at 13:20:26 on Sun, 7
Mar 2010, Paul Terry remarked:

If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise
that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they
were extending a travelcard beyond its validity...

Which also gos to show that the system is wrong, because it can't easily be
understood by the reasonable man.

It's not really that difficult. People have managed for years to
understand that an extension ticket is needed to go beyond their
travelcard zones.

Mind you, having said that, TfL have recently reported that only 3% of
the people who need an OEP are using them, while many people who don't
need an OEP are nevertheless loading them.

Indeed. What's required is a better paradigm for loading an OEP on your
Oyster-travelcard. For example, machines in Central London at places
where people start their journeys to the suburbs marked:

"Travelling beyond your Oyster travelcard zones today? Then touch here".
--
Roland Perry

On Sun, 7 Mar 2010, Paul Terry wrote:

In message p.homeip.net,
Paul Cummins writes

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

If you go back and read the original post, you might now realise
that your reply at that point was completely useless, because they
were extending a travelcard beyond its validity...

Which also gos to show that the system is wrong, because it can't easily be
understood by the reasonable man.

It's not really that difficult. People have managed for years to understand
that an extension ticket is needed to go beyond their travelcard zones.

But whenever that has been true, it has also been true that you needed a
ticket for the whole trip if you didn't have a travelcard at all. That's
where the OEP situation is completely novel - you need a whole new ticket
*only* if you're doing part of the trip by travelcard, *in addition* to
the PAYG credit to actually pay for it!

tom

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