On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:23:04 +0100, Chris Tolley
(ukonline really) wrote:

Neil Williams wrote:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:02:17 +0200, Johannes Picht
wrote:

AFAIK, the only networks on the continent requiring a specific front end
color are the Netherlands (white or yellow) and Italy (red).

In the UK, black is permitted (and usual) for steam locomotives. I
assume that's because of grandfather rights, but perhaps also because
you'd hear them a mile off anyway!

Red, shurely. But the stuff coming out of the chimney is a visual clue
too. Indeed, as a first order approximation, I've always assumed that
the yellow end is a replacement for the plume of smoke/steam.

But I am fairly sure that in some situations a Steam loco will be
emitting little smoke or steam. Going down a gradient with the fire
burning cleanly the exhaust can be fairly transparent And that will be
just the time that little noise is produced either.

G.Harman

wrote:

On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:23:04 +0100, Chris Tolley
(ukonline really) wrote:

Neil Williams wrote:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:02:17 +0200, Johannes Picht
wrote:

AFAIK, the only networks on the continent requiring a specific front end
color are the Netherlands (white or yellow) and Italy (red).

In the UK, black is permitted (and usual) for steam locomotives. I
assume that's because of grandfather rights, but perhaps also because
you'd hear them a mile off anyway!

Red, shurely. But the stuff coming out of the chimney is a visual clue
too. Indeed, as a first order approximation, I've always assumed that
the yellow end is a replacement for the plume of smoke/steam.

But I am fairly sure that in some situations a Steam loco will be
emitting little smoke or steam. Going down a gradient with the fire
burning cleanly the exhaust can be fairly transparent And that will be
just the time that little noise is produced either.

This is true, but back in the day, trains were all noisier in general.
On those days when I am out watching the Pendolinos go by, I am
constantly impressed by how quiet they are.

--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p12198540.html
(57 010 at Sytch Lane (Slindon), 31 Jan 2005)

I have a copy of the 1985(?) "Motive Power Recognition: London
Transport and PTE railways", and there do seem to be a number of
yellow painted service vehicles (at least they look yellow despite
being black and white photos!). Some do seem to be darker (maroon?)
however, maybe they were the older ones?

On Wed, 19 May 2010 08:50:54 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil"
wrote:

I have a copy of the 1985(?) "Motive Power Recognition: London
Transport and PTE railways", and there do seem to be a number of
yellow painted service vehicles (at least they look yellow despite
being black and white photos!). Some do seem to be darker (maroon?)
however, maybe they were the older ones?

Not necessarily, any complete repaints would have been yellow anyway
with the chance of the oldest vehicles being most in need of one. Some
of the vehicles in older colour schemes were likely to be the most
recent in service before the colour change. The only sure method is to
identify the individual vehicles and verify their build date while
remembering that LT re-used railway vehicle numbers and in some cases
(EMU carriages) exchanged them.

In article
,
(Dr. Sunil) wrote:

I have a copy of the 1985(?) "Motive Power Recognition: London
Transport and PTE railways", and there do seem to be a number of
yellow painted service vehicles (at least they look yellow despite
being black and white photos!). Some do seem to be darker (maroon?)
however, maybe they were the older ones?

Crimson Lake was the standard colour for LT service stock before yellow.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On May 1, 8:42*pm, Chris Tolley (ukonline
really) wrote:

On those days when I am out watching the Pendolinos go by, I am
constantly impressed by how quiet they are.

Really ?

I think they are noisy for what they are, this is from the outside.
They make far more noise passing by than 350s do.

--
Nick

Anyway, what I really come on to post was this

http://www.railcolor.net/index.php?n...act ion=image

yes its French - to the unintiated that a Prima, the current Alstom
BoBo electric - and that one is hired through an SNCF associated
leasing outfit called AKIEM to ECR that in turn was owned by EWS hence
now DBS.

Perhaps the yellow panels herald operation into UK )

Cue comment totally ignoring I am on a wind up and going on about that
is not allowed in the tunnel because it is not fitted with this that
and the other, none of which are blocking points because IMHO the
thing could be modfied.

--
Nick

Hello!

On 19.05.2010 21:04, D7666 wrote:
Anyway, what I really come on to post was this

http://www.railcolor.net/index.php?n...act ion=image

yes its French - to the unintiated that a Prima, the current Alstom
BoBo electric - and that one is hired through an SNCF associated
leasing outfit called AKIEM to ECR that in turn was owned by EWS hence
now DBS.

Not really current anymore. Alstom has moved to Prima II with a
different styling. They are currently shipping the first series-built
locos - to Morocco:

http://www.railcolor.net/index.php?nav=1406571&lang=1

Perhaps the yellow panels herald operation into UK )

Rather into the Netherlands, I suppose.

Cheers,

Johannes.

On Wed, 26 May 2010 21:01:51 +0200, Johannes Picht
wrote:

Not really current anymore. Alstom has moved to Prima II with a
different styling. They are currently shipping the first series-built
locos - to Morocco:

http://www.railcolor.net/index.php?nav=1406571&lang=1


Ooh ... looks quite cute. ;-)

On May 26, 8:27*pm, Bruce wrote:

http://www.railcolor.net/index.php?nav=1406571&lang=1

Ooh ... looks quite cute. *;-)


IMHO these things are tending towards looking a lot like the same
these days, perhaps this is the impact of TSIs putting so many
engineering limits that the only practical working solution makes them
look the same.


I sort of kind of like this :

http://parovoz.com/newgallery/pg_vie...LNG=EN#picture

which is the latest thing out of China for Uzbekistan, this s one of
the new CoCo in delivery right now, the last lot (the third loco back)
is one of the earlier BoBoBo. Its a fairly simple external layout,
clean apart from that fussy grille on the front end, speculate that
has something to so with cab cooling.

--
Nick